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Excessive default/auto cropping vs Lens Correction

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I tried C1 7 last year or two, but find it too difficult at the time. I am now on 30-day trial of Capture One 8.3. Now, it seems not so bad especially after watching the webinars. A little bit of background, I use Lightroom and my camera is Fuji X-E2.

A few things on C1 that I did not like vs Lightroom. Color in Lightroom is better (with Fuji Film Simulation; I use mainly Provia and ProNeg Standard). On C1, Generic V2 profile is too red. The Generic profile is better, but the color is still not as nice as Lightroom with Fuji Film Simulation. But one very nice guy Scottie Wang on dpreview.com forum created an ICC profile for Fuji that I applied on C1 and now I could better like the color on C1. I hope PhaseOne could created a similar Fuji Film Simulations like the ones in Lightroom.

Now, to the main subject, which is why Capture One Lens Correction crops images excessively. I found this problem accidentally while comparing and learning how to use C1 vs Lightroom. Yes, that included pixel peeping and comparing colors etc. That when I saw one image that is much smaller than I see on Lightroom. Then I realized that this happens on a lot of images too.

My problem is the same as what happened in this thread viewtopic.php?f=55&t=19174&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=lens+correction+crop. I tried to follow the suggestion on that thread, but my knowledge of C1 may not be up to par since I could not solve that. I googled and youtubed for a solution but I did not find one.

If this is a bug, please fix it. If this is a design decision, I totally do not agree with the decision.
I believe with Lens Correction enabled, C1 should allow the maximum size of a rectangular distortion-adjusted images to be shown, not excessively cropped like it is now. The ratio may not be like the original (3:2 or 4:3), and that's ok. But at least display us the maximal rectangular shape of the images. If I need to crop the image, I could do it later myself based on the full size image.

I started to like C1 more than before when this issue appeared. Maybe I should wait for C1 Pro 9? Any solution?

Thanks.
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  • Permanently deleted user
    Hi,
    unfortunately I don't own or know your camera so I'm not able to reproduce or identify clearly your issue. But it sounds similar to what has been noticed also for example on the Sony RX100 when the corresponding lens correction steps in. Looking an image in the crop tool at the short FL settings it seems that the correction chops off just too much of the image. But on closer inspection one will find that the pixel count of the corrected image is exactly the pixel count informed by Sony in the camera's documentation.

    In other words, optically and from the original RAW data, the camera (lens) actually takes a larger image than the "paper" 28mm eq. wide (about 26-26,5mm) and this data is then corrected for the 28mm eq. output. This is the same or a similar process which happens in the in-camera processing / correction when an OOC JPG is generated.

    Now in C1 the user simply can use (accept) the correction. Or he/she can make use of the outer parts (which by the "suggested" correction would be chopped off) by changing the crop or the ratio or both. This way it's possible to create an image with a larger pixel count than in the papers and/or with an adjusted crop which makes use of the wider view (possibly at a small toll though which may be some optical imperfections towards the borders / corners which are the original reason for the correction).

    So what seems to be rigid in your description might be also in your case user adjustable to your needs and liking, being the "correction" or "crop" more a suggestion than an imposition. Hope this helps.
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  • Permanently deleted user
    I also use an RX100 and find the pre-cropping to be useless and annoying. I have to manually change every image I process to remove the crop. I crop at the time of printing where there will be different ratios depending on the print size. I also use the extra often for where the canvas wraps around the frame. I have never had a use for the suggested crop, even if it is the same as the Sony jpeg in camera processing. If I wanted in camera processing I wouldn't use RAW.
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  • NN635734144993553547UL
    I could see that even Lightroom crops the image a little bit, but it consistently leaves less cropping than C1 (but I found after this that I cannot disable Lens Correction in Lightroom).

    If I compared the RAW to OOC JPEG in C1, the cropping is different to OOC JPEG.
    If I compared the RAW to OOC JPEG in Lightroom, the cropping is the same for both the RAW and OOC JPEG (which I assumed would be captured on the viewfinder during capture).

    I hope you could download the RAW and OOC JPEG from Dropbox from this links:
    RAW file https://www.dropbox.com/s/swdit0u6ktwgx ... 7.RAF?dl=0
    OOC JPEG file https://www.dropbox.com/s/1rs175sxqn5zt ... 7.JPG?dl=0

    Cropping border on C1 https://www.dropbox.com/s/u2q3wljjhzxuk ... 3.png?dl=0

    View on Lightroom https://www.dropbox.com/s/idmpcrhf2qnqi ... 2.png?dl=0

    View on Lightroom RAW vs OOC JPEG https://www.dropbox.com/s/qq6feql7qrdpv ... 2.png?dl=0

    Thanks.
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  • Nikolai Vassiliev
    Have the very same problem even for manual lens distortion correction.
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