plugins in C1?
There are many plugins available for Lightroom, Photoshop, Aperture. Some better and more useful than other of course. Would it be interesting if some of that functionality was made available for C1 too?
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I completely support your request for this. I suspect as C1 gains more popularity and acceptance this could become a reality. More than plugins right now I am hoping for more stability 😊. It is the number one frustration for me and many others here on the board. 0 -
I honestly doubt it will ever happen. 99% of new photographers think Lightroom is their be all-end all solution and even a ton of pros use it regularly. You have to be pretty picky to dislike it enough to look beyond. I'm just thankful that C1 exists, I really dislike LR. 0 -
[quote="Zach2" wrote:
I honestly doubt it will ever happen. 99% of new photographers think Lightroom is their be all-end all solution and even a ton of pros use it regularly. You have to be pretty picky to dislike it enough to look beyond. I'm just thankful that C1 exists, I really dislike LR.
Sad but true. Lightroom functions as a huge vacuum cleaner. There must be a reason why so many people like it, but in my mind, it is strictly mediocre. I, too, would like some good plug-ins for C1. Do you think that Phase One is even interested in having them in the program?
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Well, all those plug-ins do is take whatever state the image is in and convert it to a tiff internally and process it. It's literally exactly the same as exporting a tiff into photoshop and running the same plug-in, then re-importing to C1. It's not a RAW image anymore after the plug-in. You still have to finish your raw processing before you use the plug-in, I honestly don't understand the point of them except that they're cheaper I guess. You'd get the same effect by exporting a 16 bit ProPhoto Tiff from C1, running the plug-in in PS, then re-importing into C1.
What WOULD be useful is if Phase One integrated more functionality of popular plug-ins into C1. I honestly think a film emulation module would be extremely well received, most of the people that use C1 are the discerning/picky kind of folks insist film still looks better. (which, I concede, it does in some cases). Also an "HDR" module would be popular although that's another thing I'm not very fond of. DXO Optics Pro has both of these things and it's very appealing to many photographers, especially new ones.0 -
@ picman2 (op) / Zach2-
Are you wanting plugins or presets? When I first read it I was thought the OP was referring to presets, but after reading Zach2's last response I vary may well have misunderstood the picman2's request.
If I did misunderstand I am not aware of plugins for Lightroom, my curiosity is piqued. Though if it is the intent of the OP who desires more presets I would like to see some new ones made.0 -
[quote="Zach2" wrote:
Well, all those plug-ins do is take whatever state the image is in and convert it to a tiff internally and process it.
That's absolutely untrue, Zach - many of "all those plug-ins" aren't directly image related at all - they extend Lr's functionality in ways that Cap One users could only dream about.
This guy alone has produced all of these, most of which have diddly-squat to do with sending tiffs back and forth.
Or how about these?
And I've used my friend Mark Wilson's metadata keyword plug-in for Lr to tag my bird photographs quickly and easily.
There's much more to Lr plug-ins than simply changing the look of an image...
Y'know, the fact that so many people use Lr isn't a coincidence, or an indication that there are a lot of unfussy, easy-to-please photographers out there: while I agree that Cap One colours are great, it is an undeniable fact that Lr provides a superb one-stop solution to satisfy any photographers' requirements, while sacrificing nothing in terms of the quality of the end result - indeed (and we've been here before) Lr's IQ betters Cap One's in some very significant ways.
Just because you and Rob don't like it, that doesn't mean it's not an excellent alternative to Cap One; and in many ways (not least its plug-in based infinite expandability) it's a lot better.0 -
[quote="dougstroud" wrote:
I very may well have misunderstood the picman2's request.
The OP referred to "functionality", Doug - that's not presets.0 -
@all,
I read the OP's message first and foremost as a desire to plug-ins for CO as a means to extend functionality, although the kind of desired functionality remains uncovered. The reference made to other software that do raw conversion AND have plug-ins I read as a way to support and justify this desire and remark.
I don't think this is about a comparing software or a discussion of which raw converter is better. They exist and we are free to choose which you prefer. I don't mind that discussion (which I like to skip reading for my sanity) which is as old as the raw converter, but it distracts the attention from an interesting remark the OP made.
My take: an SDK for Capture One exists AFAIK so it might be technically feasible. Market share is the main trigger for 3rd party developers commercially. That might take still some time.
my 2 cts.0 -
Thanks for your follow up post Keith. I just visited the site you referenced in your response and that helps by giving examples of the different plugins available and their functionality. 0 -
[quote="Keith Reeder" wrote:
[quote="Zach2" wrote:
Y'know, the fact that so many people use Lr isn't a coincidence, or an indication that there are a lot of unfussy, easy-to-please photographers out there
Cost is a huge factor for many photographers so maybe not unfussy or easy to please just not willing to spend triple for C1 when LR does a good enough job.
Regarding plug ins, it would be nice but I am just as happy popping into PS when needed.0 -
[quote="Jeff12" wrote:
Cost is a huge factor for many photographers so maybe not unfussy or easy to please just not willing to spend triple for C1 when LR does a good enough job.
You must have been ripped off or prices differ significantly in your part of the world. From where I live:
Capture One Pro 6 (full/upgrade): 299/69
Lightroom 3 (full/upgrade): 249/80
Prices in euro ex. VAT from manufacturer's online store.0 -
Paul, to do a fair cost comparison you need to include the cost of Cap One Pro and Media Pro.
That makes it:
Eur 438/$625/£389 for Phase One vs. Eur 209/$298/£185 for Adobe...
That's a massive difference.0 -
[quote="dougstroud" wrote:
Thanks for your follow up post Keith. I just visited the site you referenced in your response and that helps by giving examples of the different plugins available and their functionality.
Some very useful stuff in Lr plug-ins, isn't there?0 -
[quote="Keith Reeder" wrote:
Paul, to do a fair cost comparison you need to include the cost of Cap One Pro and Media Pro.
Fine, but that was not the point in the post I responded to. But fair enough, Keith.[quote="Keith Reeder" wrote:
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Eur 438/$625/£389 for Phase One vs. Eur 209/$298/£185 for Adobe...
Price comparison is tricky, that is why I kept my focus on the online stores of the respective companies. There is always a cheaper shop in town, but maybe you don't like the service...
I sincerely apologize for discussing product prices here (how low can you go I tell myself) but I felt the comparison above was a little bit 'unbalanced' if you know what I mean (not necessarily on purpose though). In the UK I buy COP+MP bundle for £269 (normal 298 as separate buys) at CaptureOne Complete and £198 for LR at the Adobe store (better street price may apply). The difference is clear but not that big and without Media Pro neglect able or none (CO Pro sells for £199 in the shop mentioned earlier). That is something different than 'spend triple' as stated earlier here in another post. That is what I wanted to set straight and make a fair comparison.
So back to the topic: plug-ins are great and there are great plug-ins for LR (thank you Keith) and none for CO. Acknowledged. Next.0 -
Ah I forgot about those kind of plug ins! Exporting functionality basically, not image adjustments. Those would be useful in C1! When I hear plug-ins my mind goes straight to Nik stuff and the like, forgot about these. I honestly don't use C1 or Media Pro as a photo organizer, I do think LR and Aperture (and Photomechanic) are quite a bit better at that. So I just export RAWs into C1 and then bring processed jpgs or TIFFs back in when I'm done. From there all the exporting plug-ins are easily available. Presets are a piece of cake, totally possible now. I've never seen them for C1 but I'm sure they exist somewhere.
As far as lightroom being so widely popular, I'd argue that it is possibly the best "all-in one" solution. It definitely does a TON of stuff well. So, of course it is very popular, and rightly so. However, for me, there's a few things about the way it renders images that drive me nuts and that's where C1 comes in. Of course, it certainly helps that Adobe is already a trusted household name and they have bazillions of dollars to throw at marketing Lightroom. Not that Phase One is small, but even non-photographers know what photoshop is.0 -
[quote="Keith Reeder" wrote:
[quote="Zach2" wrote:
Well, all those plug-ins do is take whatever state the image is in and convert it to a tiff internally and process it.
That's absolutely untrue, Zach - many of "all those plug-ins" aren't directly image related at all - they extend Lr's functionality in ways that Cap One users could only dream about.
This guy alone has produced all of these, most of which have diddly-squat to do with sending tiffs back and forth.
Or how about these?
And I've used my friend Mark Wilson's metadata keyword plug-in for Lr to tag my bird photographs quickly and easily.
There's much more to Lr plug-ins than simply changing the look of an image...
Y'know, the fact that so many people use Lr isn't a coincidence, or an indication that there are a lot of unfussy, easy-to-please photographers out there: while I agree that Cap One colours are great, it is an undeniable fact that Lr provides a superb one-stop solution to satisfy any photographers' requirements, while sacrificing nothing in terms of the quality of the end result - indeed (and we've been here before) Lr's IQ betters Cap One's in some very significant ways.
Just because you and Rob don't like it, that doesn't mean it's not an excellent alternative to Cap One; and in many ways (not least its plug-in based infinite expandability) it's a lot better.
So, Keith, why are you here? Presumably, you are no longer using Capture One, so why hang around the forum?
LR has many features that make it attractive from a workflow standpoint, which is its major strength. I cannot get output from it that approaches what I get from C1, and, believe me, I have spent countless hours trying. That is why I don't use it. If the results are satisfactory in your mind, then there is no reason for you to use anything else. BTW, I thought that you were an big fan of Raw Therapee.
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[quote="Zach2" wrote:
As far as lightroom being so widely popular, I'd argue that it is possibly the best "all-in one" solution. It definitely does a TON of stuff well. So, of course it is very popular, and rightly so. However, for me, there's a few things about the way it renders images that drive me nuts and that's where C1 comes in. Of course, it certainly helps that Adobe is already a trusted household name and they have bazillions of dollars to throw at marketing Lightroom. Not that Phase One is small, but even non-photographers know what photoshop is.
I don't think that you can overestimate the power of the Adobe Photoshop brand as well as Adobe's ability to market their products. In the contemporary marketplace, the big tend to get bigger, simply because of marketing and the herd effect, even if their products are not always the best. It is rare that a smaller brand can crack the vise-like grip that the big players hold on the market. Apple is a rare exception to the rule. Still, Phase One has a small, but dedicated user base that is comprised mainly of professionals and serious amateurs. One would presume that Capture One is profitable, as they keep bringing out new versions.
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