Keyboard Shortcut To Get Out of All Text Fields In Viewer?
[I'm probably missing something obvious, but I can't think of search terms that would bring up an answer to this.]
When in the Viewer, is there a keyboard shortcut that will get you out of any text field you might be in, so you know that what you type next will be interpreted as a keyboard shortcut? This would be the equivalent of just clicking on the image.
In the Develop module of Lightroom, as I recall, you could just hit Enter a few times and know that you're in what I suppose you'd call the base state of that module. In the Phase One Viewer, none of the obvious possible keystrokes seem to do that.
When in the Viewer, is there a keyboard shortcut that will get you out of any text field you might be in, so you know that what you type next will be interpreted as a keyboard shortcut? This would be the equivalent of just clicking on the image.
In the Develop module of Lightroom, as I recall, you could just hit Enter a few times and know that you're in what I suppose you'd call the base state of that module. In the Phase One Viewer, none of the obvious possible keystrokes seem to do that.
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Esc?
Ian0 -
You would think so, but Escape has no effect at all that I can see in my Viewer. If Escape in fact does nothing in the Viewer at this point, this would be a great function to assign to it. 0 -
I'm now looking at the Commands tab of Edit:Preferences, and even there I can't spot such a function that could be assigned to a custom keyboard shortcut. 0 -
In general Esc will exit a text field and leave it unchanged and Return will consider the entry complete then allow whatever key you hit next to be understood as a command for whichever window it applies to (if it has anything asociated with it.)
I'm not sure what text fields in the viewer you might be using. I assume you are referring to text (or numeric?) fields in tools somewhere but I'm wondering if some tools may, for some reason, function differently in respect of text and numeric entries, to others.
Can you describe an example case that we could consider to better understand what you need to do?
Grant0 -
I may be homing in on it. The problem regarding the Enter key only seems to come up when the Viewer is open but the Browser is not. I only discovered this option recently, and I think this only started happening when I got into that Viewer-only mode.
When I have both the Viewer and Browser open, then when in the Viewer a numeric text box is active, when I press Enter, it acts like you say: it applies the change to that tool and deactivates that box. (On the other hand, the Escape key does nothing, regardless of what's happening at the time.)
When in Viewer-only mode, then when I click on any of those numeric text boxes the content is selected, like it normally would. If I then hit Enter without having touched the content, the full content stays selected and the box remains active. If I change the content or even just activate a cursor -- either by clicking within the text or using the arrow keys -- then when I hit Enter, the change, if any, is applied to the tool, but the the visible content of the box, including highlighting or cursor, remains the same. In any case, the box remains active, so the arrow keys still move the cursor within the box and any attempted keyboard shortcut just shows up within the text box as if typed there. Again, the Escape key has no effect. The only way out is to click on the pane actually displaying the picture.
And if it would make any difference, I'm getting from, say, Browser-only to Viewer-only mode not by opening the Viewer and then closing the Browser but simply by closing the Browser, which of course automatically opens the Viewer. And vice versa.0 -
Oh, and I'm running Build 9.1.0.119 (27e613a), on Windows 7 Home Premium Service Pack 1 0 -
In the viewer you have the edit tools active.
It sounds like you are using right click (or something similar) to access the tool adjustment settings. Is that about right?
The tool adjustment window remains the focus as long as the cursor is positioned over it. If the cursor is moved off the tool's window area the window closes.
I'm not aware of an alternative set of commands in those circumstances. Others may have a different approach.
Grant0 -
I probably just don't have my terminology straight, so please give me the proper terms for what I'm seeing.
To start with, I'm only using left clicks, with the mouse in standard configuration.
What I think of as the Tools panel (or the "tool adjustment window"?) that toggles on and off the screen with Ctrl-T, will stay visible for the sake of this discussion. If we're talking about the same thing, should that panel (or window) appear when you bring the cursor to the edge of the window and then disappear when you move the cursor off of it, like in Lightroom? I haven't seen that panel/window behave like that, and nothing's jumping out at me as a way to turn that behavior on.
Are we talking about pulling that panel/window off the main window to float in a separate window? Maybe that would resolve my problem. In any case, for me it just appears on the left side of the main window and it's hidden and restored using Ctrl-T. In that configuration, I don't see what it means in this context that "The tool adjustment window remains the focus as long as the cursor is positioned over it." For me, that panel doesn't visually indicate focus or lack thereof. Nor does any behavior anywhere seem to respond to the location of the hovering mouse cursor, except to display tool tips.
In any situation, when I click on any of those numeric text boxes that box becomes active. There's probably a better term for that, but what I mean is that while that box is active, whatever is typed on the keyboard edits the contents of that box. While a numeric text box is active it doesn't seem to matter where the mouse cursor is, over that panel or not. Whatever you type on the keyboard still appears in that text box.
To keep it simple, let's say I click on the Exposure text box on the Levels panel. In all cases the entire contents of that box will be selected, and highlighted as such. In all cases, I can then edit the text in that box from the keyboard, and when I hit Enter the Exposure will change to the new value in the box. Alternatively, I can use the up and down arrows to increment the value, which is reflected immediately on the the image.
The issue is what happens in that text box when I hit Enter.
When the Browser is open, then regardless of whether the Viewer is also open, when I hit Enter the box becomes what I'm calling inactive, as reflected by there being no cursor or highlighting in the box. Anything I type on the keyboard will thereafter be interpreted as a keyboard shortcut.
When the Browser is not open, then of course only the Viewer will be open. In this situation, when I activate the Exposure text box it acts just like you'd expect it to. But when I hit Enter the box does not inactivate. Whatever cursor or highlighting was there before hitting Enter will remain in the box, and anything typed on the keyboard will still be reflected in the contents of that box. If at that point I type a "c" that c is inserted into the text in that box. It doesn't make a difference where the mouse cursor is hovering. In this situation and only in this situation the only way to get out of that state is to click inside what I think of as the Viewer pane.
So as a simple example, when the Browser is open, with one image selected and I click on the text box associated with the Exposure tool, the current contents will be selected and highlighted. If I immediately hit Enter, the contents will of course remain the same, but the highlighting will go away, and anything I type thereafter will be interpreted as keyboard shortcuts.
With the Browser closed -- hence with only the Viewer open -- leaving that same single image selected, then clicking on the Exposure text box will likewise select and highlight the current contents. But when in this situation I hit Enter, the highlighting remains, and anything I type will be reflected in that text box and not interpreted as keyboard shortcuts. This is completely independent of the location of the mouse cursor.
So, is this what you see when running Capture One on Windows when editing the numeric text box associated with a tool when the Browser is not open? If not, I guess I should try reinstalling Capture One. Or maybe I need to install Windows 10, which I've been resisting.
I really appreciate your help on this. If I don't have the terminology straight, please correct me. If there's a way to float the Tools in their own window and/or have them auto-hide please point out how to do that.
Thanks,
Drew0 -
[quote="NNN635862103489891163" wrote:
What I think of as the Tools panel (or the "tool adjustment window"?) that toggles on and off the screen with Ctrl-T, will stay visible for the sake of this discussion. If we're talking about the same thing, should that panel (or window) appear when you bring the cursor to the edge of the window and then disappear when you move the cursor off of it, like in Lightroom? I haven't seen that panel/window behave like that, and nothing's jumping out at me as a way to turn that behavior on.
I can answer that bit. What you are looking for is "Tools auto mode". You should be able to find Tools Auto Mode on the view menu. (I'm on a Mac, but I don't think that is different on Windows. There is a key combination for it too, but I expect that is different in Windows, but should be shown in the menu.) In Tools Auto Mode, there is just a little triangle at the edge of the window, and hovering there will make the tools panel pop out. There is a corresponding Browser Auto Mode too.
Ian0 -
I don't believe there is a "Tools Auto Mode" or equivalent in the Windows version - certainly can't see anything in Win 7 C1 9.2.
To be quite honest for those application that I use that have it - especially any that interact directly with any information on the display rather within a specific application - I find the facility is usually more annoying than useful. But that's just me.
Whether using the Tools tabs and the Tool Window or Right Clicking with the cursor positioned in the Viewer area when a specific tool is active (Local adjustment brush, crop tool, etc.) if there are values that can be directly edited and the cursor is in that window, be it tools panel or an individual tool settings pop up window, that part of the screen will be "active" in terms of the commands issued through the keyboard.
If you have Right Clicked to bring up the controls for the currently active tool that box will remain active until the cursor is moved out of its area, at which point it will auto close.
However the functionality in the main Tools Area Window is slightly different in that if part of a tool is deemed to be "Active" - e.g. you have the cursor in a numeric entry box - then that cursor position dictates what key strokes are or are not accepted.
Carriage Return or Enter will accept the entry.
Tab will accept the current entry and move to the next field. (Assuming that the value entered is valid for the field.)
If the next field after a Tab is a potentially "Active" field C1 will remain in data entry mode for "Tools".
If the "Tab" action takes you to a currently Un-expanded field control seems to be returned to the Viewer Window and commands that relate to the viewer will be active no matter the position of the cursor.
If the next field is an entry for a selection list (for example the Mode value of the White Balance tool) a Tab action from the previous tool will move the cursor to the "Mode" selection field and make the existing value "active". However the Tab function then becomes a tool that scrolls through the available options for that drop down list but without highlighting them. In that state the tool is deemed to be Inactive (no active field selection to apply) and so keyboard short cuts availability returns and the Viewer will respond to them.
Keep tabbing through the list and out of the other end and eventually the next direct data entry field will be selected and focus will return to the tools rather than the Viewer.
It's probably worth mentioning that the "Focus" term does not necessarily imply visibility of the related Window.
For example if you hide the browser the keyboard based commands for moving through the browser - the arrow keys for instance - are still active and usable.
The simplest way to return focus to the Viewer is to click on it. The context sensitivity requirements of the design when working with tools having varied functional requirements must be quite a challenge for the designers to implement - especially when working with 2 different platforms and their variants over time. Even more of a challenge when you consider how much user specific tailoring is available.
Personally I don't find it a problem to simply click on the window area I wish to be Active - it seems a natural thing to do but then I have never really been into keyboard short cuts for any of the applications I have used over the years.
I can appreciate that for others the keyboard based short cuts are a way of life.
However I suspect that increasing use of edit tablets like Wacom's products will eventually mean that we move more and more to "tap to activate" models making keyboard short cuts a relatively unattractive and high maintenance proposition - and unfamiliar to many brought up on mobile technology based "touch" devices.
There may be options, alternative and functionality I have entirely missed to I would be interested to hear about them.
HTH.
Grant0 -
how about a screenshot of what you're talking about 😊 0
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