Rotation or Orientation Copy From Last?
I am hoping this issue has been fixed in Capture one 8, but It doesn't seem to be. I would like the "copy from last" to include the image rotation/orientation when shooting with canon or nikon cameras. This is a problem when shooting straight down. The image will auto rotate (in camera) randomly, so we turn off the auto rotate on the camera, but often the image isn't orientated the right way. So we rotate the image, make some other adjustments, and then take a new shot. All the adjustments follow except the rotation. There used to be a work around for this using styles that worked (can't remember how far back), but I cannot get it to work now. Ultimately, I think that the rotation/orientation adjustment should follow just like any other adjustment, but being able to use copy form last and add a style (with a rotation) on top of that would suffice.
Are there any work arounds for this that I am not aware of?
Thanks
Are there any work arounds for this that I am not aware of?
Thanks
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I am having the EXACT same problem, shooting overhead tabletop product. No matter what I set on the camera or if I use styles or "copy from last" (after making the software rotation), the images all come in with horizontal orientation. This is a different behavior from what I experienced with C1 7.
Canon 5D2, C1 8.0.2, OSX 10.9.2.0 -
Can you not force the rotation in the camera?
If not, you should be able to use "Copy from Clipboard" and ensure the orientation is checked on.0 -
I might be doing something wrong with copy from clipboard or copy from last using clipboard, but I have tried a number of ways and cannot get it to work with a Canon 5d Mark III.
The bigger issue is that in professional settings we shoot straight down all the time and it would be nice if you could have copy from last including rotation as an option. That or if you could at least set up a style with a rotation like you use to be able to in 6 or 7.0 -
Capture an Image.
Apply a new Orientation (not a Rotation but Orientation)
Copy Adjustment to Clipboard (be sure to tick on Orientation)
Change "Next Capture Adjustment" to "Copy from Clipboard"
Following images will inherit orientation.0 -
Capture an Image.
Apply a new Orientation (not a Rotation but Orientation)
Copy Adjustment to Clipboard (be sure to tick on Orientation)
Change "Next Capture Adjustment" to "Copy from Clipboard"
Where do I apply an Orientation?
I am having similar problems with CO 8. I am shooting product photos (tethered) where my set up never changes but my crop does. In CO 7 any adjustments I make to a capture automatically applies to the next capture. In CO 8 every new capture resets and doesn't copy over adjustments from the previous photo. I've set NEXT CAPTURE ADJUSTMENT to "Copy from Last" but it's not working. Am I missing something or is this a glitch in the matrix?0 -
[quote="NNN634323618875391879" wrote:
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Where do I apply an Orientation?
You can apply Orientation to an image from the toolbar or the Adjustments menu:
Adjustments menu > Rotate Left
Adjustments menu > Rotate Right
This is true for DSLR cameras.
For digital backs you can use Camera menu > Orientation.0 -
I have tried the "Next Capture Adjustment" to "Copy from Clipboard" method but I cannot seem to get it to work. I just downloaded the 8.1.1 version and will try again.
But I would like to add that in the commercial world we shoot straight down very often and not having orientation follow is very annoying. Also, having to remember to copy and apply the clipboard every time you make an adjustment is very annoying as well. It used to be that in version 6 or 7 (can't remember) there used to be a work around by using styles but that no longer works either. I wish that the camera makers (other than phase one) would allow us to lock the camera in any orientation but they don't. Until they do, it would be really great if Capture One would make it so that there is an option to have all adjustments follow including orientation. Not having orientation follow is a problem that we run into all the time in a professional setting and I would love it if a professional program would allow us to make the choice to have orientation follow like any other adjustment.0 -
I am doing some repro work with a nikon camera D4s fixed on a repro stand and shooting straight down to take images of negatives and/or diapositive films. The images are tethered directly into CO 8.1.1 and with using "copy from last" (orientation is set) the images appear correct in CO, but not in live view. When enabling live view the preview in CO is switching permanently from portrait to landscape and thus live view is unusable.
I did switch the auto rotation in camera off but still this does not resolve the issue in CO's live view. However, the live view on the camera's LCD shows the correct live view preview but this just doesn't work in CO. I have noticed by accident that when I rotate the camera just a few degrees from its supposed 90 degree position to the shooting table, then it works also in CO!
how weird! But for optimal results I need a fully straight down 90 degree position, otherwise there is some distortion.
I did report in a support case, but no help from there other than to switch off the auto rotation in the camera.
anybody can help?
thanks
Juerg0 -
I have to add from the former post:
the camera is shooting straight down and is always in landscape mode. but CO's live view is toggling between portrait mode and landscape.
when I have the camera in a "normal" position (i.e. not straight down 90 degrees) then live view in CO works well.
strange!0 -
in the meantime I made a request at Nikon support desk. their answer is that the problem is within CO software, because if automatic orientation in camera is switched to off then the live view in Nikon's Camera Control Pro software does not change anymore from portrait to landscape and return and works flawless.
They also confirmed, that the Gyro-type sensor within Nikon cameras does not work for straight down camera positions and must be switched off (automatic orientation = OFF), otherwise the sensor gets in conflict between landscape and portrait, similar to a compass used on the northpole...
Conclusion: CaptureOne should enable a switch within the software for live view tethering to force a manual setting for the orientation (to landscape or portrait mode whatever the case may be).
I will report this also to my support case and will make a feature request. Don't know about the outcome...0 -
[quote="Juerg1" wrote:
in the meantime I made a request at Nikon support desk. their answer is that the problem is within CO software, because if automatic orientation in camera is switched to off then the live view in Nikon's Camera Control Pro software does not change anymore from portrait to landscape and return and works flawless.
They also confirmed, that the Gyro-type sensor within Nikon cameras does not work for straight down camera positions and must be switched off (automatic orientation = OFF), otherwise the sensor gets in conflict between landscape and portrait, similar to a compass used on the northpole...
Conclusion: CaptureOne should enable a switch within the software for live view tethering to force a manual setting for the orientation (to landscape or portrait mode whatever the case may be).
I will report this also to my support case and will make a feature request. Don't know about the outcome...
Did Nikon advise you about whether or not this facility is built into their Software Development Kit?
Grant0 -
no, they didn't. But CO support tells me that there will be some changes n the next release of CO in this respect, especially regarding tethering with Nikon machines.
let's wait and see what is coming 😲0 -
[quote="Juerg1" wrote:
no, they didn't. But CO support tells me that there will be some changes n the next release of CO in this respect, especially regarding tethering with Nikon machines.
let's wait and see what is coming 😲
Well that sounds positive.
Grant0 -
Hello All,
I would like to add to this thread. We have the same issue when using our Canon system (5D MK III) as the other Canon users appear to have when shooting directly overhead. We have tried this:
"Capture an Image.
Apply a new Orientation (not a Rotation but Orientation)
Copy Adjustment to Clipboard (be sure to tick on Orientation)
Change "Next Capture Adjustment" to "Copy from Clipboard"
And it does not work - the orientation is checked on but does not carry to the next image. This is a problem for us because within our environment (whether studio or location) the client is almost always right there looking over our shoulder. Frankly, to sit and manually rotate and re-crop each image (when necessary) is, and appears to the client, unprofessional. There should be a solution for this - not a work around.
I assume this is a canon firmware / C1 software issue since the 645 (and 645+) bodies have the camera orientation adjustment settings built in the C1 software.
I would appreciate any input from other forum members or techs on this issue. If the above solution does work for other members please post here and confirm this. I basically took at least a half day testing different solutions for this issue without finding one. I am honestly hoping I have overlooked something; I would LOVE a solution for this that works.
Mac Pro 10.10.2 / Capture One 8.1.0.145 / Canon 5D Mark III
Thanks!0 -
that works for me perfect using a MBP, Nikon D4s, CO Pro 8.1.1:
this is my process:
1. capture a new image which usually appears upside down in the database
2. make adjustments to this image: turning the image clockwise or to the left, changing the curves or levels from left to tight and vice versa, adjusting white balance, clarity etc.
3. copy all adjustments to the clipboard by using the 'copy adjustment arrow' (the one which shows from bottom left to top right)
4. go to the adjustment menu: here you must add the orientation by clicking on the orientation settings; deselect any adjustments which you don't want to copy over to the next image
5. go to the camera submenu: Change "Next Capture Adjustment" to "Copy from Clipboard"
6. shoot the next image: this image takes over all copied adjustments, also the correct orientation (assuming that the original orientation of the camera orientation and the negatives of both images were the same at the original position)
Sorry, my CO software is in german language, therefore don't know exactly the correct english terms of the menus and buttons.0 -
[quote="Juerg1" wrote:
that works for me perfect using a MBP, Nikon D4s, CO Pro 8.1.1:
this is my process:
1. capture a new image which usually appears upside down in the database
2. make adjustments to this image: turning the image clockwise or to the left, changing the curves or levels from left to tight and vice versa, adjusting white balance, clarity etc.
3. copy all adjustments to the clipboard by using the 'copy adjustment arrow' (the one which shows from bottom left to top right)
4. go to the adjustment menu: here you must add the orientation by clicking on the orientation settings; deselect any adjustments which you don't want to copy over to the next image
5. go to the camera submenu: Change "Next Capture Adjustment" to "Copy from Clipboard"
6. shoot the next image: this image takes over all copied adjustments, also the correct orientation (assuming that the original orientation of the camera orientation and the negatives of both images were the same at the original position)
Sorry, my CO software is in german language, therefore don't know exactly the correct english terms of the menus and buttons.
That's the way it should work, indeed. Works here the same.0 -
As of 25th March 2015, using CO Pro 8.2 with a tethered Nikon d810, I have the same LV issues when orienting the camera straight down. I have turned off the auto-orientation in camera, but the CO LV is still flicking between horizontal and vertical, which makes it impossible to zoom in to focus. If I slightly move the camera's position to just off directly horizontal (overhead), then the problem resolves itself. However, I then have focus and distortion issues, so for copywork etc this is not a solution. I have just asked PO for their advice. [quote="SFA" wrote:
[quote="Juerg1" wrote:
in the meantime I made a request at Nikon support desk. their answer is that the problem is within CO software, because if automatic orientation in camera is switched to off then the live view in Nikon's Camera Control Pro software does not change anymore from portrait to landscape and return and works flawless.
They also confirmed, that the Gyro-type sensor within Nikon cameras does not work for straight down camera positions and must be switched off (automatic orientation = OFF), otherwise the sensor gets in conflict between landscape and portrait, similar to a compass used on the northpole...
Conclusion: CaptureOne should enable a switch within the software for live view tethering to force a manual setting for the orientation (to landscape or portrait mode whatever the case may be).
I will report this also to my support case and will make a feature request. Don't know about the outcome...
Did Nikon advise you about whether or not this facility is built into their Software Development Kit?
Grant0 -
same here, tried it with 8.2 yesterday. the camera is in landscape orientation pointing vertically straight down and the image in life view is in portrait orientation. However, I noticed that in my case it doesn't flicker anymore between horizontal and portrait orientation. Camera setting for automatic changing the orientation is off or on and setting in CO for automatic orientation is OFF or ON; that doesn't make any difference.
How poor is this from CO not to include a SIMPLE manual software setting device in order to force the image in live view to a user defined specific orientation, after what I was promised from Phase One help desk! very disapointed indeed!0 -
Having the same problem and have reported to tech. They said wait until v8.3 to see if the problem has resolved. It hasn't, unfortunately. I'm still unable to use LV with my Nikon d810 pointing straight down without the LV randomly flipping between horizontal & vertical. I can't align the copywork with this happening and the zoom reverts back to zoom to fit when the LV flips. Setting the camera to a few degrees off true horizontal (straight down) works fine, but I need to set it exactly to straight down to photograph the artwork. Still waiting for tech to get back to me.
Here's the short video I made:
https://youtu.be/s6pYmvAdhk40 -
This is a classic issue when camera's are too parallel to the floor they can't sense orientation (I assume). I see this problem all the time on set and my solutions have been to either force a view within the camera's settings, or create a Style with orientation in C1 and apply that in the session. 0 -
I finally got a responce back from tech regarding my tethered Nikon d810 and the orientation flipping between horizontal and vertical in live view. Unfortunately, it seems they are aware of this and are hoping to fix it in the future. I raised this with them some time ago and they said to wait until v8.3 was released. I'm still having the problem with this latest version. I'm having to photograph flat artwork on a slight inclined plane so that the camera is also not truely horizontal. This works, but is far from ideal and not at all what I was expecting from C1 Pro:
Anyway, here's their reply:
Unfortunately, this is a feature that needs to sorted out still for Windows users. Also, Panning during zoom to 100% in Nikon Live View can cause the live view feed to stop altogether.
Just want to make sure that you are currently using Windows 7 service pack 1. Capture One 8 only supports this build of Windows 7.
We apologize for the major inconvenience and fustration, We are working on a lot of different things for future software implentations and promise that sometime in the near future, this issue will be resolved.
Best regards,
Phase One Technical Support0
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