Capture One or Media Pro?
Hi there,
Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere, but a bit confused. I need a good DAM solution and was considering Media Pro. However, I notice that Capture One lists DAM in it's features.
How do they compare, are the DAM features in Media Pro better? I'd like Capture One for RAW, but don't want to sacrifice DAM features/speed/versatility...
Thoughts?
Regards,
Lenny
Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere, but a bit confused. I need a good DAM solution and was considering Media Pro. However, I notice that Capture One lists DAM in it's features.
How do they compare, are the DAM features in Media Pro better? I'd like Capture One for RAW, but don't want to sacrifice DAM features/speed/versatility...
Thoughts?
Regards,
Lenny
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Media Pro is more of a true DAM.
C1 Pro is a catalog, like Lightroom.
Media Pro is NOT color managed so that is something to consider.
If you are dealing primarily with photos and like C1's editing features, then C1 on its own should be fine.
Also check out the Media Pro forum.
But the best thing to do is try 'em both.0 -
[quote="Jimmy D Uptain" wrote:
Media Pro is more of a true DAM.
C1 Pro is a catalog, like Lightroom.
Media Pro is NOT color managed so that is something to consider.
If you are dealing primarily with photos and like C1's editing features, then C1 on its own should be fine.
Also check out the Media Pro forum.
But the best thing to do is try 'em both.
I tried and this is the biggest fail for PO. One company, 2 different products - which - wait for it - CAN'T communicate efficiently to each other 😊 Quite ridiculous... You can admit it's not true, because they can export/import catalogs... pfffff guys!! Back to the ground! Once I am processing set of pictures (RAW files) - I pick maybe ~20%, do a changes, then want to store and want to go back for another portion next week, month maybe - but before I want to go back to different event pictures & work with them. So? How can I do kinda transaction - from MP => C1P => MP in ONE transaction?? Just one picture after another? (eg: pick picture, open in C1P, do a changes and when saving to get that BACK to MP on same place??). I tried, but didn't succeed - it offers me import/export whole catalog. When sending to C1P from MP it opens import dialog - heh nice, but I can't browse MP catalog from FileSystem...
This is biggest FAIL - and main reason I am not spend my $$ on that slow-cumbersome-workflow. It's maybe convenient for you - glad to hear you found what you were looking for, but I am searching for something else... From this POV is MP very, very expensive as the integration with C1P is same as from competitors 😊0 -
[quote="PaaS" wrote:
[quote="Jimmy D Uptain" wrote:
Media Pro is more of a true DAM.
C1 Pro is a catalog, like Lightroom.
Media Pro is NOT color managed so that is something to consider.
If you are dealing primarily with photos and like C1's editing features, then C1 on its own should be fine.
Also check out the Media Pro forum.
But the best thing to do is try 'em both.
I tried and this is the biggest fail for PO. One company, 2 different products - which - wait for it - CAN'T communicate efficiently to each other 😊 Quite ridiculous... You can admit it's not true, because they can export/import catalogs... pfffff guys!! Back to the ground! Once I am processing set of pictures (RAW files) - I pick maybe ~20%, do a changes, then want to store and want to go back for another portion next week, month maybe - but before I want to go back to different event pictures & work with them. So? How can I do kinda transaction - from MP => C1P => MP in ONE transaction?? Just one picture after another? (eg: pick picture, open in C1P, do a changes and when saving to get that BACK to MP on same place??). I tried, but didn't succeed - it offers me import/export whole catalog. When sending to C1P from MP it opens import dialog - heh nice, but I can't browse MP catalog from FileSystem...
This is biggest FAIL - and main reason I am not spend my $$ on that slow-cumbersome-workflow. It's maybe convenient for you - glad to hear you found what you were looking for, but I am searching for something else... From this POV is MP very, very expensive as the integration with C1P is same as from competitors 😊
What is a bit disappointing, is that it seems you haven't read any of the posts on this forum (or Media Pro's), nor it seems that you have watched any of the provided videos on the Phase One youtube channel on how to integrate MP with CO.
If you would have done that, you might have noticed that there are certain settings to make to make them work together. I get the feeling you haven't made those settings.
This is a user-to-user forum, so why don't you search around to find how to do this. If you then have problems, do come back for more help from fellow users.
If you just want to vent your frustration with Phase One, please go ahead and find another place on the internet. Rather than polluting another user's thread with a genuine question.0 -
[quote="Lenny Warren" wrote:
Hi there,
Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere, but a bit confused. I need a good DAM solution and was considering Media Pro. However, I notice that Capture One lists DAM in it's features.
How do they compare, are the DAM features in Media Pro better? I'd like Capture One for RAW, but don't want to sacrifice DAM features/speed/versatility...
Thoughts?
Regards,
Lenny
Like mentioned in Jimmy's post above, CO's capabilities are still rather mundane when it comes to DAM. It's still in its infancy.
Media Pro is a good option, it does work together with CO, but it doesn't seem to have Phase One's prime attention anymore. That may be worrying.
There are some other DAM products out there that do integrate with CO rather well (and some other raw converters too). This, for me is the main reason not to go with the catalog function offered with the raw converter. It kinda expects you to use its own raw converter, while you may notice from time to time that you need something else (for some specialty task, or camera).
Further to that, DAM spans more than just photos, actually that is what it's about. So, outside of the raw converter, you could also store videos, office documents, photoshop files, CAD documents, etc. Media Pro offers quite a lot in that area. Obviously, scripting, file management, advanced catalog functions (vacuum database, backup and restore, etc. etc.) should be in the core functions of a DAM system. Many of those are missing in CO (or similar, competitive products).
If you don't need all of that, perhaps the current offering from CO is good enough for you. To judge that and help you further, you should share what you mean with "a good DAM solution" as stated in your original post.0 -
[quote="HCS" wrote:
[quote="PaaS" wrote:
[quote="Jimmy D Uptain" wrote:
Media Pro is more of a true DAM.
C1 Pro is a catalog, like Lightroom.
Media Pro is NOT color managed so that is something to consider.
If you are dealing primarily with photos and like C1's editing features, then C1 on its own should be fine.
Also check out the Media Pro forum.
But the best thing to do is try 'em both.
I tried and this is the biggest fail for PO. One company, 2 different products - which - wait for it - CAN'T communicate efficiently to each other 😊 Quite ridiculous... You can admit it's not true, because they can export/import catalogs... pfffff guys!! Back to the ground! Once I am processing set of pictures (RAW files) - I pick maybe ~20%, do a changes, then want to store and want to go back for another portion next week, month maybe - but before I want to go back to different event pictures & work with them. So? How can I do kinda transaction - from MP => C1P => MP in ONE transaction?? Just one picture after another? (eg: pick picture, open in C1P, do a changes and when saving to get that BACK to MP on same place??). I tried, but didn't succeed - it offers me import/export whole catalog. When sending to C1P from MP it opens import dialog - heh nice, but I can't browse MP catalog from FileSystem...
This is biggest FAIL - and main reason I am not spend my $$ on that slow-cumbersome-workflow. It's maybe convenient for you - glad to hear you found what you were looking for, but I am searching for something else... From this POV is MP very, very expensive as the integration with C1P is same as from competitors 😊
What is a bit disappointing, is that it seems you haven't read any of the posts on this forum (or Media Pro's), nor it seems that you have watched any of the provided videos on the Phase One youtube channel on how to integrate MP with CO.
If you would have done that, you might have noticed that there are certain settings to make to make them work together. I get the feeling you haven't made those settings.
This is a user-to-user forum, so why don't you search around to find how to do this. If you then have problems, do come back for more help from fellow users.
If you just want to vent your frustration with Phase One, please go ahead and find another place on the internet. Rather than polluting another user's thread with a genuine question.
Sorry to upset you man, BUT:
1) no I didn't spend tons of time - I've just install 2 programs, which are not communicate to each other without watching (youtube is profi-channel for what?) / reading (I read - manual for MP and NO - there NO mention how to set anything in C1P nor MP in order to better interaction).
2) THIS IS the right place where to mention - same as you no? why you should have the space here in this thread and I can't express my experience with bot of them? Ahh, cause you're the brave expert & figure this out. But honestly - would you wrote anything here before reading my post here? I am not so sure. I am glad, that your experience is better than mine & can provide more & better info - because as I said - there is NO mention about ANY settings in manual for MP - I read it yesterday...
3) why you didn't help the person above with specific pointing to the setting - here/there put this... ? Ahh! You expect - we other have crystal ball & will find out. But - you shouldn't be upset - the balls were sold out last week.. we don't have any.0 -
[quote="PaaS" wrote:
Sorry to upset you man, BUT:
1) no I didn't spend tons of time - I've just install 2 programs, which are not communicate to each other without watching (youtube is profi-channel for what?) / reading (I read - manual for MP and NO - there NO mention how to set anything in C1P nor MP in order to better interaction).
2) THIS IS the right place where to mention - same as you no? why you should have the space here in this thread and I can't express my experience with bot of them? Ahh, cause you're the brave expert & figure this out. But honestly - would you wrote anything here before reading my post here? I am not so sure. I am glad, that your experience is better than mine & can provide more & better info - because as I said - there is NO mention about ANY settings in manual for MP - I read it yesterday...
3) why you didn't help the person above with specific pointing to the setting - here/there put this... ? Ahh! You expect - we other have crystal ball & will find out. But - you shouldn't be upset - the balls were sold out last week.. we don't have any.
Well, i'm not so sure you have to personally attack me. I was trying to show you that there are other means to find out how something can be/has to be done before complaining about it. The fact that this is a user-to-user forum makes that you're spreading fiction rather than fact and that is a pity at the very least.
I am certainly not the "brave expert", i did watch the videos on how to integrate MP with CO and perused the forums to find information before i started to ask questions, let alone vent frustration because i couldn't get it to work. You would have to factor in that both CO and MP are rather professionally oriented tools, so they require a bit more information and knowledge to work correctly and together. They are, in fact, a bit beyond the typical install and go applications (nothing wrong with those by the way).
In fact, worked with it, ran into problems, shared those here after browsing the forums and raising a support case and decided to move onto another DAM program.
I did spell out how to get it to work, in another post to another user who behaved a bit more polite than what you are showing here. That's why i suggested that a forum search would help you (you would find that thread and some others with similar information). But, to get you started, you may find information in this post: , or this post:0 -
[quote="PaaS" wrote:
[quote="Jimmy D Uptain" wrote:
Media Pro is more of a true DAM.
C1 Pro is a catalog, like Lightroom.
Media Pro is NOT color managed so that is something to consider.
If you are dealing primarily with photos and like C1's editing features, then C1 on its own should be fine.
Also check out the Media Pro forum.
But the best thing to do is try 'em both.
I tried and this is the biggest fail for PO. One company, 2 different products - which - wait for it - CAN'T communicate efficiently to each other 😊 Quite ridiculous... You can admit it's not true, because they can export/import catalogs... pfffff guys!! Back to the ground! Once I am processing set of pictures (RAW files) - I pick maybe ~20%, do a changes, then want to store and want to go back for another portion next week, month maybe - but before I want to go back to different event pictures & work with them. So? How can I do kinda transaction - from MP => C1P => MP in ONE transaction?? Just one picture after another? (eg: pick picture, open in C1P, do a changes and when saving to get that BACK to MP on same place??). I tried, but didn't succeed - it offers me import/export whole catalog. When sending to C1P from MP it opens import dialog - heh nice, but I can't browse MP catalog from FileSystem...
This is biggest FAIL - and main reason I am not spend my $$ on that slow-cumbersome-workflow. It's maybe convenient for you - glad to hear you found what you were looking for, but I am searching for something else... From this POV is MP very, very expensive as the integration with C1P is same as from competitors 😊
Yes sir, you are correct. C1 and MP do not do well at "talking" to each other.
I own both products and feel your pain.
However, since you don't own both products, consider yourself fortunate as you don't have to learn the hard way.
Like I said before, if you don't need a DAM, then C1 is fine.
Step back and take a breath. As of today, there is no software that I know of that can do it all. if this happens, then those guys will make off with the $$.
Until then, just find the software that does what you need it to do.
You may have to compromise. You may have to find several different softwares.
I have different softwares for different situations. Would I like for it all to be handed in one piece, absolutely!
But thats not the way things work.
If you like C1 editing, then find a DAM and send photos to C1's Sessions.
If you like Lightroom, well use LR's catalog.
If you want a bullet proof DAM thats quick, easy to use, and plays well with other editors.. good luck.
So far Photo Supreme is the best bet but I don't care for its speed or interface.
HCS may disagree with me, but thats where I'm at.
BTW, HCS is a friendly sort of guy. Be nice. We are here to help. Or here to ask for help.....0 -
[quote="Jimmy D Uptain" wrote:
Yes sir, you are correct. C1 and MP do not do well at "talking" to each other.
I own both products and feel your pain.
However, since you don't own both products, consider yourself fortunate as you don't have to learn the hard way.
Like I said before, if you don't need a DAM, then C1 is fine.
Step back and take a breath. As of today, there is no software that I know of that can do it all. if this happens, then those guys will make off with the $$.
Until then, just find the software that does what you need it to do.
You may have to compromise. You may have to find several different softwares.
I have different softwares for different situations. Would I like for it all to be handed in one piece, absolutely!
But thats not the way things work.
If you like C1 editing, then find a DAM and send photos to C1's Sessions.
If you like Lightroom, well use LR's catalog.
If you want a bullet proof DAM thats quick, easy to use, and plays well with other editors.. good luck.
So far Photo Supreme is the best bet but I don't care for its speed or interface.
HCS may disagree with me, but thats where I'm at.
BTW, HCS is a friendly sort of guy. Be nice. We are here to help. Or here to ask for help.....
Thanks Jimmy for the nice words about me. Immediately i apologize to PaaS if i came across rude, that was of course not my intention. I was indeed trying to help, PaaS as well as other users potentially reading this thread.
On the topic of photo supreme, the UI is of course rather personal and agreeing or dis-agreeing about it is moot. Speed may not be the greatest in the world, i actually found MP better in that area, but i use the PostgreSQL version of photo supreme and thtat is actually better for me. It depends largely on your hardware setup as well.
What i was trying to say i my previous post(s) is that CO and MP do work together if you do the proper setup. It may not be to the extent one would like, currently the media rendering is "broken", i.e. it can't provide the rendering for CO 8.2. But, it will come and has much to do with the fact that Phase One doesn't seem to put MP high on its priority list.
The latter, for me, was the most important reason to move elsewhere. For me that is photo supreme, but any other DAM could have worked, that's personal. I work with what photo supreme offers me and that includes the UI, but also recipe approximation from LR, CO and DxO, as well as integration with Photo Ninja. So, on that front, you're not going to get that coverage with any of the other tools mentioned.
On the topic of DAM, i believe that DAM is such a specialist task that it doesn't belong in a tool with another specialty task, like for example a raw converter. If you look at the really big DAM system, you will notice that that is what they do (very) well, but hardly anything else. I used to be in the boat of having DAM and raw conversion "married" in the same tool, but have returned from that idea. But, that is not really on topic, so maybe just food for thought.0 -
[quote="HCS" wrote:
[quote="Jimmy D Uptain" wrote:
Yes sir, you are correct. C1 and MP do not do well at "talking" to each other.
I own both products and feel your pain.
However, since you don't own both products, consider yourself fortunate as you don't have to learn the hard way.
Like I said before, if you don't need a DAM, then C1 is fine.
Step back and take a breath. As of today, there is no software that I know of that can do it all. if this happens, then those guys will make off with the $$.
Until then, just find the software that does what you need it to do.
You may have to compromise. You may have to find several different softwares.
I have different softwares for different situations. Would I like for it all to be handed in one piece, absolutely!
But thats not the way things work.
If you like C1 editing, then find a DAM and send photos to C1's Sessions.
If you like Lightroom, well use LR's catalog.
If you want a bullet proof DAM thats quick, easy to use, and plays well with other editors.. good luck.
So far Photo Supreme is the best bet but I don't care for its speed or interface.
HCS may disagree with me, but thats where I'm at.
BTW, HCS is a friendly sort of guy. Be nice. We are here to help. Or here to ask for help.....
Thanks Jimmy for the nice words about me. Immediately i apologize to PaaS if i came across rude, that was of course not my intention. I was indeed trying to help, PaaS as well as other users potentially reading this thread.
On the topic of photo supreme, the UI is of course rather personal and agreeing or dis-agreeing about it is moot. Speed may not be the greatest in the world, i actually found MP better in that area, but i use the PostgreSQL version of photo supreme and thtat is actually better for me. It depends largely on your hardware setup as well.
What i was trying to say i my previous post(s) is that CO and MP do work together if you do the proper setup. It may not be to the extent one would like, currently the media rendering is "broken", i.e. it can't provide the rendering for CO 8.2. But, it will come and has much to do with the fact that Phase One doesn't seem to put MP high on its priority list.
The latter, for me, was the most important reason to move elsewhere. For me that is photo supreme, but any other DAM could have worked, that's personal. I work with what photo supreme offers me and that includes the UI, but also recipe approximation from LR, CO and DxO, as well as integration with Photo Ninja. So, on that front, you're not going to get that coverage with any of the other tools mentioned.
On the topic of DAM, i believe that DAM is such a specialist task that it doesn't belong in a tool with another specialty task, like for example a raw converter. If you look at the really big DAM system, you will notice that that is what they do (very) well, but hardly anything else. I used to be in the boat of having DAM and raw conversion "married" in the same tool, but have returned from that idea. But, that is not really on topic, so maybe just food for thought.
Ha! PLaying with the words? 😉
Guys - don't get me wrong pls - HCS - yes I considered your answer more than rude. Be strict to the problem - SW - instead to ppl.
I am not here to read whole internet for how-to-connect 2 SW from one vendor properly together. I read manual - nothing mentioned there. I am not paying ~350€ for DIY solution - sorry it's my personal choice - no I won't. Maybe your choice guys, but not mine.
I understand - that these information you eventually provided - ( +search this forum) could be available somewhere.. either - not possible or possible. BUT - you forget that it's not about ME, nor YOU, it's about the THING the guy who created this thread. If the ppl are comming repeatedly and are asking - why are you so upset/curious/irritated when some other says his/hers opinion? I agree my form of saying thing are rather bold/blunt! I do agree on that.. and? It doesn't matter if the SW is cra. - so it is! Maybe it's the best for some areas (I know that), but for the other it suc.. - you're behaving like US citizens - everything's shiny, no problems, maybe challenges... but when comes to reality & the core? Suddenly it's rotten. And they're not brave to admit it - hypocrisy, isn't it? So NO C1P nor MP are not good DAM - at all !! (again form my POV - your could be different - and yes, there much worse SW than these).
And btw: yes! I already express myself on support area of the PO web 😉 I've no problem with that.
So back to topic:
Photo supreme - with some other tools. Nice - will try - maybe also the guy who originally asked , maybe won't - it's up to him. Oh and now we indeed pulled to someone's genuine thread question I guess...
I don't want to insult anyone - but SW! (nor even developers who need to spend their lives maybe because their PMs are not aware of our complains here or there, maybe it's indeed because of majority of customers are asking for this).
Once these issues are fixed I'll be back & will buy both of them maybe for even double price. But not half done and via DIY.0 -
Well, i'm withdrawing from this thread.
I do hope the OP got some info out of this thread that's usable. I do hope that other people reading this don't get the impression that MP and CO cannot communicate together. I'll be quick to say that it isn't perfect, but anyway.0 -
we all wishing to have MP works grade with C1 8.2
i communicated with Phase One Support and they send me this fast answer 😉Currently Media Pro is limited to up to Capture One 8.1.1, this is quite clear in the release note.
So please stay with this version until and new version arrives.
Kind Regards
Phase One supprot0
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