LE to 4 upgrade questions

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  • Len2
    Due to a dependency chain, XP is apparently required for v4. Here's a thread from the v4 forum that discusses it :

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  • Box Brownie
    Hi

    Many thanks for the insight and pointer. Oh well this will have to wait for my next build planned sometime first half of 2008 - I already have my XP CD bought in readiness!

    😊
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  • Len2
    Just a tip - You might want to spend a little while reading about some of the issues people have raised regarding v4, before you spend any money on software to support it. Make your own decision, of course, but many (me included) don't really consider it an upgrade when compared to 3.7x. I'm definitely sticking with 3.7x until it no longer works and/or something better comes along from another vendor. IMO, v4 is definitely not it. However, YMMV.

    Caveat Emptor and all that, as usual.
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  • Ulf Liljegren
    I would suggest you try it and make up your own mind.
    It is a LE version and not a PRO version so feature set should be compared to PRO.

    Since we are talking to clients all the time we have a quite a few who love the application and some who do not, most who do not is because it is different. But once they get a hang of it, many converts and think it is great.
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  • Len2
    [quote="UlfLiljegren" wrote:
    I would suggest you try it and make up your own mind.

    Hence my comment, "Make your own decision". I was, however, offering my opinion.

    It is a LE version and not a PRO version so feature set should be compared to PRO.

    Then how come it's missing features as compared to the previous LE version?

    Since we are talking to clients all the time we have a quite a few who love the application and some who do not, most who do not is because it is different. But once they get a hang of it, many converts and think it is great.

    If it's worth anything to you (i.e., Phase One), here's what I don't care for in the new version (some items have already been discussed quite a bit elsewhere) -

    The bloat and slowness of .NyET, not to mention the requirement to install Yet One More .NET runtime package. On my 2.7 GHz, 1 GB RAM system, it takes 30 seconds to even show the splash screen and another 15 before the screen painting is done. Once up and running, it's much slower than 3.77.

    The interface is Ugly and I don't care about spending time working in it. I can certainly understand why a grey interface could be preferred in some circumstances. However, it should be user-specified at (preferably) the OS level and simply honored by the app, not hardwired into the app itself. There are also situations (such as web images) where it's useful to see one's raw images in a color "environment" similar to where they'll be eventually viewed (i.e., a standard-interface). IMO, if you're on Windows, use standard Windows controls; If you're on X11, use standard X widgets; if on OS/X, etc.

    Also, at 1024x768 the UI doesn't even all fit on the screen. Some panels/whatever go off the bottom of the screen (eg., curves). Hiding the Toolbar doesn't help - It still goes off the bottom edge.

    The UI is incosistent in the way it works. For example, clicking the downward pointing triangle on the righthand end of panel titlebars opens a menu. Sometimes moving the mouse (/not/ clicking and dragging) makes them go away, other times they act normal and stay visible. Sometimes I have to drag down to choose a menu option, othertimes I can move and click.

    My C: drive doesn't even show up in the Library panel; it's just skipped over - Goes from A: to D:. The only way to get to any directories on it is to navigate the (infantile Microsoft) "My Document" directory hierarchy. In fact, the whole Library panel is kind of a mess. For example, what use is there in having the Windows Control Panel, floppy drive, <other account's> Documents, etc. even show up there?

    Overall, it's virtually non-configurable. The number and character of the preferences is trivial. Why not (at the very least) give us a config file we can edit?

    It deposits cache directories willy-nilly instead of in a central location and I have to follow behind it, cleaning up its droppings.

    There's no real help file. A PDF is fine for what it is (i.e., a user manual), but it's not context-sensitive help.

    I don't process huge numbers of files at a time, but if I did I'd be adding the same complaints I read from those who do.

    IMO, any piece of software, *regardless of what it "does"*, should succeed on a purely 'software' basis first of all, quite aside from it's special purpose in life. v4 doesn't even get that far.

    Phase One seems to have taken a page from the Apple playbook: "Shut up and do things the way we say - We know what's best for you". I agree with others who've commented on the apparent arrogance and hubris of the whole design process. If this version is now comparable to the Mac version, then apparently all that's happened is the Windows release has been dumbed-down and crippled.

    I got C1 LE from the SanDisk offer and was looking forward to the new version. I was anticipating possibly upgrading to Pro, but I see no reason to throw my money away on what I've seen so far.

    Of course, just my opinion, but that's the way I feel if it's worth anything.

    P.S. - Does the fact that I've registered v4 preclude getting the 3.7.8 upgrade, if indeed it's still going to happen?
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  • Len2
    [here's what should have followed above, but didn't show up]

    ...throw my money away on what I've seen so far.

    Of course, just my opinion, but that's the way I feel if it's worth anything.

    P.S. - Does the fact that I've registered v4 preclude getting the 3.7.8 upgrade, if indeed it's still going to happen?
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