Just switched from Aperture. Can you help?
Hi all,
I've decided to switch from Aperture to C1. I tried it and lightroom and to me if was better with my X-trans Fuji X-T1 files and the workflow more Aperture like, so here I am!
Well I processed my first "project" today and have a few niggle /questions. Can anyone help with them please?
1)
Before and after view - In Aperture I could view original vs final edit. I can see how to preview individual sliders, but not all. Is this not possible? Seems a strange oversight if not.
2)
When I import images, I have chosen to keep all images in the catalog, just like in Aperture and as such I need to add to an album. However, one thing driving me mad is that it seems very hard to delete files! It seems that when you hit delete, it only removes from the album but leaves the file in the catalog. I then need to go to "all images' and delete from there. That means I need to remember the name or I can't find it and it is left orphaned, untagged and loose. Surely I can delete from an album and have it delete? Today, I marked all I wanted to delete in red, then filtered on red and removed from album. I then went to "all images" and again filtered red and deleted them. Is there no better way than this? Assuming I remove an image with no colour tag etc from an album, how could I find it to delete it? Is it possible to search or filter by "not in album"?
3)
I'm not great with a histogram. In Aperture, to keep it simple, I viewed a single RGB combined histogram rather than see three lines. Can I merge in C1?
4)
Is it possible to have view 100% as a single quick key. I just pressed Z in Aperture.
5)
Chromatic Aberration. I noticed that even when turned on, this did not remove them from some wide angle Fuji RAF's. I also see the analyse is greyed out. Is it not possible to adjust manually?
6)
In Aperture when I added a keyword to a photo, as soon as I typed it filed in from ones in the database. Is this possible in C1? I had to keep retyping the same word, making sure to spell right and not make a duplicate.
7)
RAW+JPG - In Aperture these stacked together. In C1, I selected "RAW JPG pairs" but it didn't seem to do anything?
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Am I correct I can't stack anything other than variants?
9)
I'm used to being able to browse images in the main window. It seems like in C1 it is a little strip at the bottom. Can you toggle image view and browse view?
10)
When you straighten is it possible to see guides and free rotate rather than draw a line?
Sorry for all the questions, but I'm so used to Aperture I'm finding it tough going!
Thanks
Steve
I've decided to switch from Aperture to C1. I tried it and lightroom and to me if was better with my X-trans Fuji X-T1 files and the workflow more Aperture like, so here I am!
Well I processed my first "project" today and have a few niggle /questions. Can anyone help with them please?
1)
Before and after view - In Aperture I could view original vs final edit. I can see how to preview individual sliders, but not all. Is this not possible? Seems a strange oversight if not.
2)
When I import images, I have chosen to keep all images in the catalog, just like in Aperture and as such I need to add to an album. However, one thing driving me mad is that it seems very hard to delete files! It seems that when you hit delete, it only removes from the album but leaves the file in the catalog. I then need to go to "all images' and delete from there. That means I need to remember the name or I can't find it and it is left orphaned, untagged and loose. Surely I can delete from an album and have it delete? Today, I marked all I wanted to delete in red, then filtered on red and removed from album. I then went to "all images" and again filtered red and deleted them. Is there no better way than this? Assuming I remove an image with no colour tag etc from an album, how could I find it to delete it? Is it possible to search or filter by "not in album"?
3)
I'm not great with a histogram. In Aperture, to keep it simple, I viewed a single RGB combined histogram rather than see three lines. Can I merge in C1?
4)
Is it possible to have view 100% as a single quick key. I just pressed Z in Aperture.
5)
Chromatic Aberration. I noticed that even when turned on, this did not remove them from some wide angle Fuji RAF's. I also see the analyse is greyed out. Is it not possible to adjust manually?
6)
In Aperture when I added a keyword to a photo, as soon as I typed it filed in from ones in the database. Is this possible in C1? I had to keep retyping the same word, making sure to spell right and not make a duplicate.
7)
RAW+JPG - In Aperture these stacked together. In C1, I selected "RAW JPG pairs" but it didn't seem to do anything?
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Am I correct I can't stack anything other than variants?
9)
I'm used to being able to browse images in the main window. It seems like in C1 it is a little strip at the bottom. Can you toggle image view and browse view?
10)
When you straighten is it possible to see guides and free rotate rather than draw a line?
Sorry for all the questions, but I'm so used to Aperture I'm finding it tough going!
Thanks
Steve
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Steve,
You and I are in the same boat. I am also transitioning from Aperture. Let me offer you my novice experience. Hopefully others with more expertise will chime in. đ
1) I know which feature you are referring to. This was the "M" on my Aperture. It allowed me to view the master file. I think you can temporarily reset all the adjustments in C1 by holding down the alt/option key and clicking on the reset icon.
2) I can't help you here. âšī¸ My experience has been similar. Images deleted in User Collections are still in the catalog. I also have to go inside the catalog, filter, and delete. It's easier to do this through the Recent Imports rather than going through the master catalog.
3) Not sure I can help here either. âšī¸
4) Yes! đ You can create a keyboard shortcut for this. Click on the "Capture One"->"Edit Keyboard Shortcuts" menu. Open up the View->Viewer Zoom level. Go nuts!
5) I haven't had much problems with my K-3 and its lenses so I have not exercised this function much.
6) I haven't experimented much with the database management. âšī¸
7) I remember reading somewhere here that C1 does not support stacks like Aperture does. You will see separate RAW and JPG thumbnails. I only shoot RAW so I have not practiced this.
Number 8 - You skipped this number. đ The forum reads parenthesis-8 as an icon!
9) I set my browser at the bottom to Auto Hide. You can find this function under the View menu. I configured a shortcut, command-S to hide the viewer. When hidden this causes the browser to auto un-hide (if that's even a word đ ) and it wonderfully fills up the screen. This is the best that I can come up with for cycling through the screens like Aperture can by pressing the V key.
10) Sort of. You can free rotate the image by sliding the Angle slider in the Rotation and Flip tool. Guide lines will appear.
I hope this helps. đ0 -
When you straighten is it possible to see guides and free rotate rather than draw a line?
Yes, you are looking for the next tool in the pop-up "Rotate Freehand". Works just like in Aperture. I wonder if you can set this to be the default?0 -
I'm not great with a histogram. In Aperture, to keep it simple, I viewed a single RGB combined histogram rather than see three lines. Can I merge in C1?
I don't think you can, but behind the lines is a grey area that is the combined histogram you are looking for.0 -
[quote="meanwhile" wrote:
When you straighten is it possible to see guides and free rotate rather than draw a line?
Yes, you are looking for the next tool in the pop-up "Rotate Freehand". Works just like in Aperture. I wonder if you can set this to be the default?
If the image has a crop applied you can also do this from the crop tool by placing the cursor just outside the crop near a corner. When you see a "rotate" icon you can drag the image in the direction you choose. A grid should appear.
HTH.
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Hi Steve
I have more or less switched from Aperture and also a Fujifilm user (X-E1, X100S, X-T1). The RAW processing is in my view better than Aperture, and that was what persuaded me to make the leap after Apple's announcement. However, I'd say that Aperture's organisation abilities are way more advanced and certainly some features are more "obvious". Anyway, here are some thoughts on your points, some people have already chimed in so I won't repeat those.
1. The option-click Reset button *doesn't* work on the main toolbar "Reset" button to reset all adjustments, this will reset everything regardless (you can undo that if you do it by mistake). Each individual adjustment block has a reset button which you hold down option to reset, exactly like checking or unchecking the box on each block in Aperture. To compare an unadjusted copy of your original image with the current one you can create a new variant from original (F2) and either view them side by side or flick from one to the other with cmd-arrow keys.
2. I do this the same way as you, but without the interim step. That is, I use the minus key to mark the image with the Red label. Once I've done that you can simply click the Red colour tag filter in your Library view, make sure you click in Browser pane rather than Viewer, Select All (cmd-A) and then delete. Deleting from the Catalog directly removes them from any albums they are in.
3. As per other replies, I don't think you can switch off the individual RGB lines but the grey line/shaded area is the composite.
4. Boris gave an excellent way of doing this. I still use cmd-0 (zero) for fit in window and cmd-shift-0 for 100%
5. I don't find the chromatic aberration tool in CO8 to be that great, there is not much control over different types of aberration e.g. cyan/magenta. Regarding the greyed-out Analyse tool, there are a couple of things that CO8 doesn't do with X-trans RAW images, and that might be one of them. Auto-detect masking is another.
6. I don't use keywords much in CO8 yet (see below for why), but just playing a bit it seems to look up keywords already used and provide a drop-down of matches, which you must cursor-down and hit return to use.
7. + 8. I generally haven't shot RAW+JPEG in the past (though experimenting now with it) but again I think stacking and organisation was a strength of Aperture.
9. Like Boris I also set Browser to auto-hide/show. When your cursor goes towards the bottom of the screen it pops up. This can be a bit annoying however when it interferes with things like cropping or other times when you need to move the cursor near that area. But I really like Boris's suggestion for using Hide Viewer!
10. Grant has a good suggestion, and I often combine the rotate and crop steps into one because of this. You don't get the guidelines until you start the rotate. If you use the "r" key to select the rotate command, you can hold down option to get free rotate if you are in the standard "straighten" tool, or use shift-r to select the next rotate tool. When you are in crop mode it is always free rotate.
As I mentioned initially, I have "more or less" switched. However, I'll add that this is for RAW processing and cataloguing my RAW masters and the develop adjustments. Because Aperture is way better at organisation, plus all the benefits of integration across other apps, I have found myself splitting my workflow like this to get the best of both:
a. import RAWs into the CO8 Catalog. To begin with I was creating User Collections, but they were not really helpful and seemed to add nothing if you already organise your masters on disk. After trying to see how the Folders organisation would help me with keeping everything as a referenced file (like I had in Aperture), again I found the repetitive organisation tasks too irritating to do at import (especially around creating the folders, adding them into the CO8 library, importing images to the collection etc). So, everything just into the Catalog for now.
b. run through images, use the minus key to tag rejects as Red, initial ratings for the keepers (for now). Sometimes I will filter the view for "not Red" so that rejects are skipped as I sort through the images. Once done, click on the Red color tag in the Library view, select all in the Browser pane, delete. You can then empty the Trash to remove the files completely plus delete them from disk.
c. do initial adjustments on marginal images and either reject (tag Red) or up-rate.
d. complete adjustments, give final ratings. Repeat delete of Red rejects.
e. use a recipe to export full-size, maximum quality JPEGS to a fixed destination folder. This is so I don't have to remember to keep on changing this every time as CO8 would otherwise make me do, the Job or other tokens you might use here aren't very useful if you are working with images directly in the Catalog, but then trying to set tokens for use seems even more tedious. (I'd love suggestions on how others manipulate groups of files!)
f. attach my external drive that contains all my RAW masters. In the Folders section of the Library pane, select the parent folder for my masters, right-click and "Add folder..." which brings up a Finder view where you click New Folder, then once you have named it you can click "Add" and it will add it to your Folder view in CO8 -- one of the few combined tasks you can do in organising image files in CO8 (compare that with Aperture where you name a project once at import and it creates entries in your library, destination folders on your disk, etc.)
g. Select the images in the Browser view, then drag them from the Browser pane to the folder icon in the Folder view. This moves the RAW files out of the Catalog to the physical folder destination of my external drive, freeing up disk space on my laptop, but keeping the reference and preview file in the CO8 library file. When the external drive is disconnected I can still browse all my originals in CO8 if I want to and even make some types of adjustments.
h. Given I prefer Aperture's organisational abilities, I then import those JPEGs into Aperture as a Project (with the files still referenced but stored on my internal drive) exactly as I would previously with the RAWs, and do *all* further organisation there. Ratings come in from CO8, but now I can do captioning, tagging, creating Albums, Smart Albums, Photo Books, Web albums etc. Sharing to my iPad, iPhone and via email, Messages, Facebook, Flickr etc is trivially easy rather than convoluted or impossible from CO8. I am not doing any manipulating now other than perhaps cropping versions for specific use or for sharing so the JPEGs are perfect, and generally reducing the quality or pixel resolution from these JPEGs is fine. If I find I need to make substantial adjustments later I can just go back to CO8, work with the RAW and run the Aperture recipe again, and import to Aperture.
So essentially, CO8 is now my RAW processor and library of masters, but Aperture remains my catalogue and day-to-day source for my images. We'll see as things move forward with CO9 and the Photos app...
Nick0 -
Nick,
I am impressed with your workflow, methodology, and patience! đ You have found a hybrid solution between the legacy Aperture platform for storage and the new C1 platform for RAW image processing. I had similar thoughts in the back of my head but I think I would get tired of having to work in two packages. We took Aperture's organizational capabilities for granted and accepted that platform's quirks as a compromise. Now the compromise is flipped. C1 gives us superior processing capability but at the expense of the organization. It's not bad but it's not Aperture, is it?
I don't do a lot of file sharing and I don't do too much filtering/sorting so C1 provides just enough organizational capabilities for me. There is more I need to dig into with C1 to see how I can leverage what it does have.0 -
Hi Boris, yes it always takes some patience when switching and I didn't expect a like-for-like feature set or workflow. But while changing over brings new strengths, it does also highlight other strengths that you took for granted. For me, the interesting thing is that I had trialled CO7 and was so impressed with the Fuji RAW decoding and the quality of adjustment algorithms that I was already attracted to it even before Apple confirmed the demise of Aperture. When that happened and then CO8 was released, it was a no-brainer to jump in.
You're right that different people have different needs. If all I wanted to do was shoot, develop, and print, then my needs would end with CO8. However, in fact, I find I don't do so much printing but I do like to share. So having good quality JPEGs of all my photos (at present about 15,000) available on my laptop, then smart collections (like "everything from the last 2 years plus all my top rated images) on my iPad, iPhone, and iCloud, all automagically syncing up once they're ingested to Aperture, is a huge benefit.
Like I said though, we aren't looking at a static situation here. CO8 will get feature releases and some day we'll have CO9. Likewise, Photos for Mac may lose some things that I like, it may gain others. It's all about finding the right tools for the job you want done. In the meantime I am still learning new things about CO8 thanks to the great comments in these forums!
Nick0 -
Regarding Q2, one other thing occurred to me as a "gotcha" when I was reading another thread, which is that when deleting files if you don't have "Edit all selected variants" checked (either under Edit menu or using the toolbar button) then even if you Select All in the Browser view, then hit cmd-Del, it only deletes the Primary selected variant so you'd find yourself deleting images one by one... 0 -
Thank you all for the great suggestions. It's really helped. My biggest frustration is definitely stacking. I often round trip to photoshop / NIK and then set the processed as the stack pick. Currently I've just created a "picks" album for each project.
Cheers all,
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Hi Steve,
I am struggling at basic stuff too with CP8.
In Aperture, I could fly through reviewing images using the Z key for toggling zoom, Z zooming centred into where the cursor was placed, V key for changing the views.
2 Keys in Aperture vs 5 multi key shortcuts in Capture One, plus having to pan around in an image if the part you wanted to check was top or bottom of the image after you have zoomed to 100%...0 -
[quote="NN140445UL" wrote:
Hi Steve,
I am struggling at basic stuff too with CP8.
In Aperture, I could fly through reviewing images using the Z key for toggling zoom, Z zooming centred into where the cursor was placed, V key for changing the views.
2 Keys in Aperture vs 5 multi key shortcuts in Capture One, plus having to pan around in an image if the part you wanted to check was top or bottom of the image after you have zoomed to 100%...
I use an Apple trackpad and it is possible to pan with it. Disable the "Zoom with scroll wheel" function in the Preferences->General menu. It's the first item on that screen. Now I can pad to my heart's delight. đ0
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