Color checker plug in?
Does it works now or do they have to wait for updates from X-rite?
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This I want to know as well. So the new plugin system will allow us to use color checker passport?!? 0 -
[quote="DAndison" wrote:
This I want to know as well. So the new plugin system will allow us to use color checker passport?!?
What or who gave you that impression?0 -
[quote="Paul_Steunebrink" wrote:
[quote="DAndison" wrote:
This I want to know as well. So the new plugin system will allow us to use color checker passport?!?
What or who gave you that impression?
Feeling a little brusk are we?
Title of thread "Color Checker Plugin"
"Does it works now or do they have to wait for updates from X-rite?"
I asked a question followed by ?!? meaning I wasn't sure if that's what they were referring to!0 -
Okay, it was een open question. I get it. 0 -
Does this Phase web site page help?
https://www.phaseone.com/en/Capture-One/Plug-ins.aspx0 -
[quote="SFA" wrote:
Does this Phase web site page help?
https://www.phaseone.com/en/Capture-One/Plug-ins.aspx
Interesting stuff, thanks0 -
I guess I should request X-rite plug in 0 -
Yes, that would be nice!
I don`t get precise results(e.g. art reproductions) with the camera profile they have for the Sony a7r III.
Unfortunately they don´t offer a profile like they have for their own cameras: "Flash - Flat Art Reproduction", which would also be good for other color sensitive studio shots.
But that plug in would have to work a lot better than in Lightroom, because those results are way of.
Does anybody have good solution? Or a good flash color reproduction profile for the Sony?0 -
[quote="NN161694UL" wrote:
Does anybody have good solution?
good solution existed for years... it is called dcamprof
http://www.ludd.ltu.se/~torger/dcamprof.html
https://www.ludd.ltu.se/~torger/photogr ... iling.html
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http://www.lumariver.com/lrpd-manual/ (paid, UI based)
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megathread = https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/in ... c=100015.00 -
[quote="deejjjaaaa" wrote:
[quote="NN161694UL" wrote:
Does anybody have good solution?
good solution existed for years... it is called dcamprof
http://www.ludd.ltu.se/~torger/dcamprof.html
https://www.ludd.ltu.se/~torger/photogr ... iling.html
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http://www.lumariver.com/lrpd-manual/ (paid, UI based)
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megathread = https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/in ... c=100015.0
Why do we have to pay for it since we already have a free software directly from X-rite??? If any of those support X Rite Gretag Macbeth Digital Color Checker SG 8.5 x 11, then I would understand.0 -
[quote="NN635412303032341950UL" wrote:
[quote="deejjjaaaa" wrote:
[quote="NN161694UL" wrote:
Does anybody have good solution?
good solution existed for years... it is called dcamprof
http://www.ludd.ltu.se/~torger/dcamprof.html
https://www.ludd.ltu.se/~torger/photogr ... iling.html
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http://www.lumariver.com/lrpd-manual/ (paid, UI based)
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megathread = https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/in ... c=100015.0
Why do we have to pay for it since we already have a free software directly from X-rite??? If any of those support X Rite Gretag Macbeth Digital Color Checker SG 8.5 x 11, then I would understand.
apparently you did not bother to read before posting 😊 ... no big deal let me summarize for you
1) dcptool is free
2) there is a paid UI version too for people who have a little less brain to master a simple command line tool
3) dcptool is way better then free software from x-rite if you actually bother to compare functionality
4) dcptool supports any targets including synthetic (for example when you have spectral curves for CFA+lens,etc)0 -
[quote="deejjjaaaa" wrote:
[quote="NN161694UL" wrote:
Does anybody have good solution?
good solution existed for years... it is called dcamprof
http://www.ludd.ltu.se/~torger/dcamprof.html
https://www.ludd.ltu.se/~torger/photogr ... iling.html
+
http://www.lumariver.com/lrpd-manual/ (paid, UI based)
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megathread = https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/in ... c=100015.0
Cool, thank you! I didn't know that software and I´ll look into it.
Are there some Artikels/Videos where they test the lumariver Repro Edition? (I need it for art repros)
Is there some serious test of the software where the word "feel" doesn't occur as much?
Where they compare the results to other solutions with ∆E values.
Many years ago I invested quite a bit of money into the xrite publish edition with the i1 for all kind of uses (scanner, print RGB and CMYK, beamer, camera) and the color checker SG.
Making special Camera Profiles with that system was quite ok.
But already the next MacOS update one year later was not supported anymore and xrite asked for another $600 for the software update. This policy made xrite for me a "never again" company. I didn't´t want to throw more money down that drain, so I had $2000 useless garbage lying around, still have ☹️
Last year I became weak in search for a practical solution again and bought the color checker passport.
But that system with Lightroom doesn't really come close to a precise color reproduction.
Serious color reproduction is such a nightmare.
Why doesn't phase one come out with a professional target like the color checker SG (more color patches, but with a lower price, so that the user group becomes much larger 😉 and maybe the lower end passport, and implement a precise and easy to use calibration system into c1.
That would be perfect!
That´s a big market and could free us from those xrite politics. And LR with xrite dng solution will be seen as bad as it is.
c1 should concentrate more on having the precisest, fastest and user friendly raw converter again (add Sony pixel shift support 😉, instead of adding things most people do in Photoshop anyway.0 -
[quote="NN161694UL" wrote:
Why doesn't phase one come out with a professional target like the color checker SG (more color patches, but with a lower price
because the proper target with patches made from proper different pigments will not be cheap _AND_ any cheap target with just more patches w/o actual variety of different pigments resulting in sufficiently different reflectance spectra is useless vs already existing (even not ideal, SG is semigloss - hence difficult for an average Joe and even non average Joe to shoot) products from X-Rite
DO READ THE LINKS I posted - then you shall have less questions0 -
[quote="NN161694UL" wrote:
Serious color reproduction is such a nightmare.
nobody promised otherwise... as you have to invest into lights with good spectrum and spectrophotometers too, not just the target... or get setup that allows to measure SSF directly ( DIY = https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61332698 )0 -
[quote="deejjjaaaa" wrote:
[quote="NN161694UL" wrote:
Why doesn't phase one come out with a professional target like the color checker SG (more color patches, but with a lower price
because the proper target with patches made from proper different pigments will not be cheap _AND_ any cheap target with just more patches w/o actual variety of different pigments resulting in sufficiently different reflectance spectra is useless vs already existing (even not ideal, SG is semigloss - hence difficult for an average Joe and even non average Joe to shoot) products from X-Rite
DO READ THE LINKS I posted - then you shall have less questions
I did not mention the word cheap once.
It´s just an economical thought, that producing a great product and selling it for a lower price, can still mean a higher profit, because you can reach many more buyers.
I have the color checker SG. I think it just has a price tag not many people are willing to pay. (and they are right, since it wears off after a couple of years)
If you are very optimistic, you can sell 1000 of those worldwide, if they are very good and you sell them for $350(rough SG price in Germany). Your initial design and production cost would be very high per piece.
Now if you offer the same product for $150, you suddenly have 10000 potential buyers. (all numbers are imaginary, but maybe not completely out of this world)
Production cost per target should drop significantly and c1 would have another great real pro feature (good for the competition with LR), while making money.
And a "Phase One Target" sounds pretty cool! 😎
People like me, typical apple users 😉, like well designed, easy to use systems, that offer all the things needed for a certain task.
So to me, all the color handling issues should be integrated into the raw converter.
Splitting up solutions with different companies is quite annoying, because in case of things not working right, it´s always the other companies fault. It´s not good hanging in between Sony, Phase One and xRite.
As I wrote in my initial post, they already offer a nice and lean solution for their own cameras with the "Flash - Flat Art Reproduction" profile(among others), which works quite well.
They should just expand that whole color handling issue to other brands, because in the long run, they will be making much more money with their software than their hardware. But if they don´t improve, then people might as well just use LR.0 -
[quote="deejjjaaaa" wrote:
[quote="NN161694UL" wrote:
Serious color reproduction is such a nightmare.
nobody promised otherwise... as you have to invest into lights with good spectrum and spectrophotometers too, not just the target... or get setup that allows to measure SSF directly ( DIY = https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61332698 )
The Broncolor flashes I use do have a very good spectrum. (and yes, I´m well aware that the spectrum changes a little with the amount of power output)
I´m talking about a nice workflow for precise art reproductions(can also be all other color sensitive product shots etc), best within the c1 system. They could cooperate with whoever they want, but just make sure that the system works and is well integrated.
For me, that would be more interesting than more layer mask options etc. And maybe for others as well?0 -
[quote="NN635412303032341950UL" wrote:
Does it works now or do they have to wait for updates from X-rite?
A plugin, no thanks.
Capture One Pro should support the use of dcp profiles out of the box and we would immediately have a plethora of camera profiles and tools, including the ColorChecker, available to us.
MLI0 -
[quote="mli20" wrote:
[quote="NN635412303032341950UL" wrote:
Does it works now or do they have to wait for updates from X-rite?
A plugin, no thanks.
Capture One Pro should support the use of dcp profiles out of the box and we would immediately have a plethora of camera profiles and tools, including the ColorChecker, available to us.
MLI
dcp profiles are applied early in the pipeline (partially right after demosaicking and partially after exposure control application)... ICC profiles in C1 case are applied at the very end... hence dream on - P1 is not going to do the amount of coding required.
plethora of tools is plethora of subpar tools for people who mostly can't even properly illuminate the target ... the proper (few) tools support generation of both dcp profiles and icc profiles for C1...0 -
[quote="NN161694UL" wrote:
I did not mention the word cheap once.
you did -> "...but with a lower price..." because proper (not printed mind you) target with many dozens of patches for under $350 is cheap.[quote="NN161694UL" wrote:
It´s just an economical thought, that producing a great product and selling it for a lower price, can still mean a higher profit, because you can reach many more buyers.
except those many more buyers are buying X-Rite passports or junk some from Datacolor.[quote="NN161694UL" wrote:
I have the color checker SG. I think it just has a price tag not many people are willing to pay. (and they are right, since it wears off after a couple of years)
only if you stick it into every shot for no reason (more so outdoors) - how many profiles do you really want to create in 2 years ?[quote="NN161694UL" wrote:
If you are very optimistic, you can sell 1000 of those worldwide, if they are very good and you sell them for $350(rough SG price in Germany). Your initial design and production cost would be very high per piece.
Now if you offer the same product for $150, you suddenly have 10000 potential buyers. (all numbers are imaginary, but maybe not completely out of this world)
of you suddenly don't have them because dudes prefer X-Rite Passport in a clamshell or junk from datacolor0 -
[quote="deejjjaaaa" wrote:
[quote="mli20" wrote:
[quote="NN635412303032341950UL" wrote:
Does it works now or do they have to wait for updates from X-rite?
A plugin, no thanks.
Capture One Pro should support the use of dcp profiles out of the box and we would immediately have a plethora of camera profiles and tools, including the ColorChecker, available to us.
MLI
dcp profiles are applied early in the pipeline (partially right after demosaicking and partially after exposure control application)... ICC profiles in C1 case are applied at the very end... hence dream on - P1 is not going to do the amount of coding required.
plethora of tools is plethora of subpar tools for people who mostly can't even properly illuminate the target ... the proper (few) tools support generation of both dcp profiles and icc profiles for C1...
The OP asked a simple question about the ColorChecker. I answered it.0
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