Canon 1D X
Canon announced a new pro body today the 1D X. It doesn't begin shipping until March 2012.
A couple thoughts:
I really hope Phase One can get a 1D X body and/or the SDK ahead of the release and start working to implement raw & tethering support as soon as possible after it ships.
Regarding tethering: Canon included a 1000BASE-T Ethernet port for tethered shooting. Can Capture one can support this method of connection as well as USB? If not I suppose many be using EOS Utility to a hot folder workaround.
Curious to know if Phase One ever considered including an ethernet port on their IQ back? I would think many users would appreciate this functionality.
Daniel
A couple thoughts:
I really hope Phase One can get a 1D X body and/or the SDK ahead of the release and start working to implement raw & tethering support as soon as possible after it ships.
Regarding tethering: Canon included a 1000BASE-T Ethernet port for tethered shooting. Can Capture one can support this method of connection as well as USB? If not I suppose many be using EOS Utility to a hot folder workaround.
Curious to know if Phase One ever considered including an ethernet port on their IQ back? I would think many users would appreciate this functionality.
Daniel
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As soon as we have access to RAW files from the camera we can work on profiling the camera and supporting the files.
Based on our past track record I imagine this will happen shortly after the camera starts shipping.
In regard to tethering, I imagine the mentioned Canon EOS utility/Hot Folder will be the only working solution for quite some time as tethering this camera would require a whole new protocol be written by our team. To do this for just one camera is quite a substantial investment.0 -
[quote="Drew" wrote:
... for quite some time as tethering this camera would require a whole new protocol be written by our team. To do this for just one camera is quite a substantial investment.
No problem. We have to wait until March anyway for the camera, what's an extra week or two for a C1 update? 😊0 -
yes the Ethernet port is interesting as at least it won't fall out and cheap cables, think yourself lucky your not a Hasselblad/Phocus user they have the most terrible tethering problems 0 -
In my experience shooting tethered with an H4D to Phocus is actually just as stable as using a phase back with C1...but that's a topic for another day.
I think it would be a terrible mistake to disregard the he ethernet tethering protocol because it is "just one camera". Granted it may take programming resources, but I'd bet that just as many people would appreciate it as those who use Keystone correction for example, or many other C1 features I never use.
A head in the sand approach does a disservice to your customers . If ethernet tethering is in fact much faster (than USB or FW), more stable, a more universal port, with long inexpensive cables, it should/will be implemented on all future pro cameras from Canon, Nikon, Sony and Phase One.
USB 2.0 is too slow, USB 3.0 & Thunderbolt are years away from mainstream adoption. Fast wireless Raw transfer is a pipe-dream. Firewire 800 is adequate but not widely implemented.0 -
[quote="Daniel1111" wrote:
A head in the sand approach does a disservice to your customers .
No heads in the sand here, quite the contrary. I think I've provided a very realistic and logical answer to your original question, no sales hype and no misdirection. As of this moment I can tell you that when the camera hits store shelves (5+ months from now) the tethering option in Capture One will not likely be available and using Canon EOS utilities (if supported) will be the best option.
Until the camera is released we won't have a good idea of what type of demand we are looking at and thus we will not know the priority level of working on this feature. We're not a huge company and these decisions will be made at the appropriate time.
I agree with you fully that the ethernet port is a fantastic idea for tethering but with it comes a whole new can of worms, I imagine this is partly the reason this type of communication protocol hasn't been used yet (with any mainstream camera). In addition, even in a utopian hardware setup the ethernet connection can theoretically transfer data twice as fast as any hard drive can write it. I imagine this adds to the lack of necessity for a move to this transfer protocol and why USB 3.0 and Firewire 800 are still widely used now and likely into the future.0 -
Maybe Phase needs to wine and dine some Canon execs so they can get the 1DX before it's released and work on compatibility with C1. 0 -
Wired Ethernet connections are not "new" to Canon. Every WFT unit has a RJ-45 port. 0 -
The 1000BASE-T Ethernet wired tethered connection will of course be on all Canon (and other) pro models.
It's the new standard from now on...
Next in line will be the 5D mkIII, which I assume will be released later this year in response to Nikon.
@Drew: Ethernet 1000BASE-T tethered shooting NEEDS to be supported,
since it will QUICKLY replace the *sigh* outdated USB tethered (grey hair ,anyone ???).
It's really what every studio photographer has been dreaming about for many many years...
Buckle up !
Let the race begin !
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[quote="AntiWendel" wrote:
The 1000BASE-T Ethernet wired tethered connection will of course be on all Canon (and other) pro models.
It's the new standard from now on...
@Drew: Ethernet 1000BASE-T tethered shooting NEEDS to be supported,
since it will QUICKLY replace the *sigh* outdated USB tethered (grey hair ,anyone ???).
I'd be curious to know where this information is coming from. That claim is certainly possible but as nothing concrete has come from Canon concerning the future interfaces of new cameras it's not possible for us to brace for future changes. Time will tell what the future holds and as explained previously in this thread Phase One isn't provided any advanced details for other companies cameras so once cameras are on store shelves we can evaluate the next step.
In regard to USB being outdated, I am not sure what you mean. The connection is, as it's aptly named, Universal and the connection speed of the current USB 3.0 is still well inline (if not far greater) than hardware demands for data transfer speeds, faster even then is necessary for the 1DX at full tilt and faster in theory than 1000Base-t ethernet. So to say that this protocol is outdated is a bit unclear.0 -
@Drew: Of course you are right. Let me correct my statement:
"Ethernet 1000BASE-T OR USB 3.0 will of course be on all Canon (and other) pro models.
It's the new standard from now on...
Ethernet 1000BASE-T AND USB 3.0 tethered shooting NEEDS to be supported,
since they will QUICKLY replace the *sigh* outdated USB 2.0 tethered (grey hair ,anyone ???)."
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[quote="AntiWendel" wrote:
... USB 3.0 tethered shooting NEEDS to be supported,
since they will QUICKLY replace the *sigh* outdated USB 2.0 tethered (grey hair ,anyone ???)."
Well the good news there is that if your camera and computer support USB 3.0, then you're all set. There is no need for Capture One to build support specifically for USB 3.0 as we support the USB Protocol, which is the same in 3.0... only the transfer speed changes.0 -
While the USB3 "SPEC" may be more than adequate, I have never experienced anything close to acceptable transfer speeds with USB 3. It's implementation is spotty and varies from vendor to vendor.
FW 800, Thunderbolt and now Gigabit ethernet would seem to be far more reliable at high transfer rates just going on past experience. I also don't see an issue if GBENET is just passing through a TCP stack.0 -
I'm still very eagerly waiting on any answers for Ethernet tethering in C1Pro.
I was able to have some play time with a pre-release 1Dx and as a tool it has a lot of positives but the lingering question of wether or not I am going to be able to tether this thing to my software of choice is keeping me up at night. I will say that I am less than impressed with having to run a connection wizard from the camera every time you want to shoot tethered. I am more of a plug it in and shoot kind of a guy and the majority of the photographers I tech for are going to be adverse to waiting any longer for a connection than they do for USB.
Durring the demo I did ask if the SDK has been released to anyone yet and the reps didn't really have a clear line on how that process takes place between Canon and outside developers.
Perhaps Drew or one of the other staff members knows if the SDK has landed on Phase's end?0 -
Both the Canon 1D X as the Nikon D4 have built-in Ethernet ports. For the D4 more info is currently available as is the camera; you can download the manual from the internet. The D4 supports tethering over Ethernet, according to the manual with Nikon software.
For the 1D X more details are pending but released. What kind of features and functionality comes available and will be supported by either the manufacturer's software or from 3rd parties, remains to be seen.
The Canon SDK that should support the 1D X (as well as the 5D mkIII) is not yet released, according to this Canon website:
http://www.developers.canon-europa.com/ ... dp_pub.nsf
Until the SDK is released all discussion is speculation regarding what Canon/Nikon will make available for 3rd party developers. To add my fair share to it ( 😁 ), some notes.
A network connection is not as straightforward and easy to use as a USB or Firewire connection. Both latter connections are point-to-point, camera-to-computer. This requires little or no configuration from the user to setup as all is taken care of in the software at both sides.
Devices on a network connection are not explicitly related to each other. After setting up necessities like addressing (IP address), both ends must be able to discover and connect (multiple computers and cameras can exist on a single network). To make this as easy as possible, services like Bonjour are often used (default on Mac, optional on Windows) and Capture One might need to open a port on the firewall of your system. Note that Bonjour only works on a single local network segment.
A typical example of this kind of setup is the Capture Pilot app connecting to CO6 and displaying images from a selected folder.
I am very interested in how this will evolve and will no doubt keep my eye on the ball. In the mean time we have to sit and wait...0 -
As Paul_E mentioned in the prior post, Canon's SDK releases can be found at http://www.developers.canon-europa.com/ ... dp_pub.nsf
For those of you looking to brighten a gloomy day, a new line has been added since he posted the link...
"New Digital EOS SDK v2.11 : New ED-SDK Version 2.11 (with EOS-1D X, EOS 5D MarkIII and EOS 60Da support)"
Hopefully this means that we are all well on our way to being able to use the world's most uselessly-fast-shooting camera tethered to the world's best camera software.0 -
[quote="NNN634305604965720277" wrote:
the world's most uselessly-fast-shooting camera
What's that supposed to mean? Shooting birds and sport, I see plenty of situations which would benefit from the 1DX's fps.
We don't all sit in cozy studios shooting pictures of kids and old women...0 -
Keith,
Just another guy not sold on the "1Dx has all the resolution that 1Ds mk3 user would need' line from Canon. No camera is now, nor will ever be everything to everyone. I remain a bit put off by the appearance that Canon no longer thinks the high-res requiring pro market is worth their time or attention. In my honest opinion, This camera's release will be looked back upon by a lot of shooters as the moment when 35mm format digital jumped the shark. I have seen a lot of users going from Canon to Phase, Leaf, Leica S2, etc as a result of this camera being announced.
Everyone has different purposes, I get that. I shot a fair number of sport assignments for a number of years in a former life and appreciate that frame rate can give you a better chance at capturing true peak action. I felt that the moment when I went from 5fps to 8 fps was a good one for me but I eventually settled back to a higher res camera with a slower frame rate. For my current purposes, the usefulness of such a high frame rate body is limited by other factors like strobe recycle time. I don't buy that there was a huge decision point between speed and quality that needed to be decided upon. Why not add the same backbone (dual processors, etc) behind a higher-res sensor?
Have a great weekend. I must be getting back to set, the kids and old women can get impatient.0 -
Hi hello.
Does anyone have a prediction for when CaptureOne will support, the new Canon 1dx. I have just bought one and am frustrated that I still can not use it tethered to the computer via CaptureOne. And that I can not work the raw format on it either..
Any news will be appreciated..
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Capture One 6.4.3 is released today. It has preliminary support for the Canon 1D X regarding raw and tethering. 0 -
Update is here;
http://www.phaseone.com/en/Downloads/CaptureOne.aspx0 -
Drew,
The link you posted, is not working... 404 error...
Update is here;
http://www.phaseone.com/en/Downloads/Capture-One-6.aspx
I was able to download the update via C1 under preferences and Updates...
Its also able to be found in the phaseone website...
While the new update is cool to view thumbnails and supposedly tether? (haven't tested tethering yet) I along with many others i'm sure, am eagerly awaiting the ability to process my raws in C1. I know its being looked into, it just seriously bumms me out as I absolutely HATE ACR or LR to process raw...
Fingers crossed for a quick update with 1DX raw processing support.
Thanks for keeping us up to date, on the progress.
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link to updated version, here
http://www.phaseone.com/en/Downloads/CaptureOne.aspx0 -
[quote="PrecisionImage" wrote:
Drew,
The link you posted, is not working... 404 error...
Update is here;
http://www.phaseone.com/en/Downloads/Capture-One-6.aspx
I was able to download the update via C1 under preferences and Updates...
Its also able to be found in the phaseone website...
While the new update is cool to view thumbnails and supposedly tether? (haven't tested tethering yet) I along with many others i'm sure, am eagerly awaiting the ability to process my raws in C1. I know its being looked into, it just seriously bumms me out as I absolutely HATE ACR or LR to process raw...
Fingers crossed for a quick update with 1DX raw processing support.
Thanks for keeping us up to date, on the progress.
*edit*
link to updated version, here
http://www.phaseone.com/en/Downloads/CaptureOne.aspx
Just got a 1Dx at work and have been testing it out like crazyyy!
Tethering via USB works just fine using C1P 6.4.3 and Lion 10.7.4. I am able to process RAW files. No support for mRAW or sRAW yet though.
I haven't gotten the Ethernet connection to work through EOS Utility yet though. Still figuring that stuff out.
Super super clean 100 iso files. Best thing ever! Switched from the 1Ds III and it's just a dream to work with. I'm glad processing RAW files does work.0 -
Indeed it is processing 1DX files now.
Hmmm, very odd.
When I first installed the update, I was only able to view the files but not process...
either way,
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!
Thank you C1 for getting this functionality up and running so quickly!
I understand all of the trouble it must have been dealing with Canon or any manufacturer as a new model is released.
All of your hard work and effort is GREAAAAAATLY appreciated, tony the tiger style!
Thanks again.
DIEHARDC1 User.0 -
[quote="Thomas565" wrote:
Just got a 1Dx at work and have been testing it out like crazyyy!
Tethering via USB works just fine using C1P 6.4.3 and Lion 10.7.4.
Thomas,
How is it that are you tethering via USB?0 -
The A/V port doubles as a mini usb port.
If you plug in your usb cable into that port you will be able to successfully tether to the newest version of C1.0 -
So in other words... there is no ethernet tethered support for the 1Dx in Capture One Pro yet?
I wish that little nugget of information would have been called out in the release notes instead of justing saying tethered capture was supported.
I am hoping that I'm wrong and that I can ethernet right on in to C1Pro... Anyone?0 -
[quote="MidWestTech" wrote:
So in other words... there is no ethernet tethered support for the 1Dx in Capture One Pro yet?
I wish that little nugget of information would have been called out in the release notes instead of justing saying tethered capture was supported.
The release notes you refer to state that both raw and tethering support in CO Pro 6.4.3 for the Canon 1D X is preliminary, reminding you that it is work in progress.
So far, in this thread, I read only one user which has not been able to figure out Ethernet support with either CO 6 or EOS Utility. I have not read any conclusive answer.
I suggest you open a support case and ask for more information from the source.0 -
Paul_E,
First off, thanks for the reply. I think my post was clouded by the frustrations of a moment. I was looking for something of a plug and play functionality with Capture One for ethernet tethering, obviously something that a whole new protocol would need to be written for, and, quite frankly, due to the complicated nature of setup on thee camera, may never happen.
Yes, I got it to work with USB, but with some of the nuances that were listed in prior posts such as having to completely quit and restart the software after a connection issue. Yes, I got it to work via ethernet tethering to EOS utility/WFTPairing shot into a hot folder and viewed in C1Pro. I am, so far, favoring this as the more stable way to run the camera but it has the same issue with having to quit and restart the software if any connection issues arrise.0 -
[quote="MidWestTech" wrote:
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Yes, I got it to work via ethernet tethering to EOS utility/WFTPairing shot into a hot folder and viewed in C1Pro. I am, so far, favoring this as the more stable way to run the camera but it has the same issue with having to quit and restart the software if any connection issues arrise.
Thanks for the feedback. If I understand the latter part of your post properly, you have issues with tethering to EOS Utility as well (I assume you use the latest version, which supports the 1D X obviously). This could point to an issue with the Canon SDK. Anyway or anyhow, please create a support case with your findings as Phase One is actively chasing the issue based on user experience.0 -
[quote="Paul_E" wrote:
...Anyway or anyhow, please create a support case with your findings as Phase One is actively chasing the issue based on user experience.
Thank you again Paul.
Please report any and all connection issues with the new release to us via a support case. At present there are quite a few posts on the Forum but only 2 or 3 people have taken the time to create a support case, of those few only 1 has given us details we can use to understand the issue.
I cannot stress this enough, if you're having tethered issues please create a support case0
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