existing metadata is stripped (C1 5)
i enter metadata in photomechanic but most of this info including but not limited to caption and headline isn't passed through to the processed file after processing in c 1 5 (and 4) 3.x.x works fine.
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Arggghhh. it gets worse, much worse! The metadata that doesn't conform with the old iptc standard such as contact info is removed from the raw file by capture one!!!! WTF are Phase one thinking!!!! ☹️ 0 -
Feeling like I'm talking to myself here!!!
Posted the same post at Lumious Landscape and DPreview.
http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/ind ... opic=39042
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readf ... e=33616404
Someone said this. "I was not aware of this, but I am currently looking at enhancing my data mgt and this will for sure impact me big time..."
Taking this and other discussions out of this forum may prove useful to other unwitting potential purchasers.0 -
Does the metadata you refer to show in Capture One's metadata tool bar before processing? My issue is that information I put in that do not have fields in the tool bar ( latitude, longitude) will not pass through. 0 -
Does the metadata you refer to show in Capture One's metadata tool bar before processing
no it doesn't, but in my case it seems to be because it no longer exists in the CR2 file where it was embedded by photomechanic.
@ Rick142. Are you able to see metadata in the fields that was entered by another piece of software?0 -
@ Rick142. Are you able to see metadata in the fields that was entered by another piece of software?
Adrian,
No, and that is because the fields are not in Capture One. In my case I am adding GPS information: latitude, longitude, and altitude into the RAW file with a program called Photolinker. This information does not get passed through into the processed file and I think the reason for that is that Capture One does not have these fields in the metadata list. I have asked them via support ticket to include the fields in a future version and hopefully that will solve the problem.
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[quote="Rick142" wrote:
I have asked them via support ticket to include the fields in a future version and hopefully that will solve the problem.
Rick, don't hold your breath, we've been asking for this from the first days of v4, all that's happened is that it's become much much worse for metadata.0 -
[quote="Adrian2" wrote:
Adrian,Does the metadata you refer to show in Capture One's metadata tool bar before processing
no it doesn't, but in my case it seems to be because it no longer exists in the CR2 file where it was embedded by photomechanic.
as already posted on LuLa...:
I've tried it with a copy of a RAW file.
I added IPTC data in Photomechanics, opened the file in C1 V5 and processed it.
- in C1 the IPTC data added in Photomechanis show up (ecxept of "copyright URL" which is marked with a * in Photomechanics).
- after processing all the IPTC data showed up in the processed JPG in Photomechanics as well as in Adobe Bridge ans "xnView" (again ecxept of "copyright URL")
So... I can't reproduce the problem here with a quick test.0 -
Might be helpful information.
I took new pictures, put metadata in Photomechanic and opened in CO5. All IPTC metadata are there. (Only one of several keywords is shown in CO5, but they do still exist all.) All IPTC metadata are exported to JPG or TIFF created in CO5. All metadata introduced in Photomechanic in XMP fields are lost.
But:
I migrated an CO 4.8.3 session into CO5 and all metadata except keywords are lost. Completely, not exported into JPEG or TIFF.
My understanding: CO5 kills metadata "only" for older pictures that were handled with CO 4.8.3 before.
Test was done with Leica M8 DNG-files.0 -
[quote="Patrick6" wrote:
My understanding: CO1-5 kills metadata "only" for older pictures that were handled with CO1-4.8 before.
Even if I "Load Metadata" (in the file menu) for a raw file previously edited by CO1 4.8, or if I copy the raw file to a new folder and open it there, CO1 5 will strip GPS info from the processed file. This worked in the latest 4.x versions (at least 4.8.3). Tested on Olympus ORF files with Capture One (not pro).
Hopefully this will be fixed (again).
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I did some further testing to clarify what is going on.
1. Ingest in Photomechanic, than use CO 4.8.3 to create JPG or TIFF.
- CO do not show but keeps nearly all IPTC metadata and puts them into JPG or TIFF files.
- The big exception is the copyright note that is lost in output.
- All metadata that are marked as XMP in PM are gone in output.
2. Ingest in PM, than use CO 5 to create JPG or TIFF.
- CO shows and keeps all IPTC metadata and puts them into JPG or TIFF files.
- All metadata that are marked as XMP in PM are gone in output.
3. Ingest in PM, create session in CO 4.8.3 and migrate session to CO5.
- All IPTC metadata are lost in output except keywords.
- All metadata that are marked as XMP in PM are gone in output.
4. Ingest in PM, open session in CO 4.8.3, take DNG out of capture folder and create new session with CO5.
- CO5 shows and keeps all IPTC metadata and puts them into JPG or TIFF files.
- All metadata that are marked as XMP in PM are gone in output.
My understanding is that due to the migration of 4.8.3 session to CO5-session the metadata information are lost in exporting from CO5. But the PM-introduced metadata still exist in readable form in the DNG.
For older pictures at this time the choice seems to be either to skip migration, lose old 4.8.3 session settings, but keep metadata in output and rework all pictures in CO5 or to use session migration and to lose nearly all metadata in exporting from CO5.
Test was done with M8 DNG files. I checked the remaining metadata in the output files (JPG and TIFF) with PM. Sorry, I don't use GPS data.0 -
Phase One quotes this site in the manual:
http://www.iptc.org/cms/site/index.html ... nel=CH0089
http://www.iptc.org/std/photometadata/s ... 7%29_1.pdf
maybe that helps0 -
[quote="Patrick6" wrote:
3. Ingest in PM, create session in CO 4.8.3 and migrate session to CO5.
- All IPTC metadata are lost in output except keywords.
- All metadata that are marked as XMP in PM are gone in output.
What happens in scenario 3 when you reload the metadata using the dropdown menu in the top right of the metadata tab?0 -
[quote]3. Ingest in PM, create session in CO 4.8.3 and migrate session to CO5.
- All IPTC metadata are lost in output except keywords.
- All metadata that are marked as XMP in PM are gone in output.
What happens in scenario 3 when you reload the metadata using the dropdown menu in the top right of the metadata tab?
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Adrian,
thank you. That was the solution. All IPTC metadata are back (even the ones CO 4.8.3 did not liked) and can be exported with JPG or TIFF.
You can can use the reload command even with several pictures marked, as I tried out, so it is not really a huge hassle and can be done in seconds after having migrated a session.
So it seems that CO5 is finally able to handle IPTC metadata without problems. The only wish would be that CO5 works with the XMP metadata like autor's address etc. as well.
Patrick
PS: By the way, I did found an anomalie that seems to be a bug. Use PM for metadata and don't give a headline but a description to the picture. In this case, at least on my system, the description ends up in the headline field together with some command line. This doesn't happen if description and headline are given to the picture.0
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