Question about color adjustments

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  • CSP

    you could try a combination of color and WB adjustments on a (color selection mask ) layer but to be honest I would never try to fix this kind of problem with c1 but use photoshop or similar instead.

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  • Michael

    Thanks, I had a feeling that would be the case. I’m not yet proficient with Affinity but I suspect I will be soon.

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  • SFA

    Michael,

    You seem to have the same thing in the clouds as well.

    What processing have you undertaken to get to that point?

    Do you see the same issue when viewing the original file with edits at 100%?

    What does the file look like before processing?

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  • Michael

    Yes, it is also in the clouds and I do see the same issue in the RAW file at 100% with or without edits.

    For edits, I adjusted:

    • levels sliding the blacks to the right to 8
    • shadows +6
    • WB is as shot, kelvin 4817, tint -2.3
    • lens correction; CA is checked and I tried running Analyze
    • I also did some healing

    I have tried with masks adjusting WB and some color editing, I just do not have a lot of experience with this type color editing which I suspect is a little more complicated.

    Thanks SFA,

    Michael

     

     

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  • CSP

    have you been successful ?   it can be helpful to drastically  increases saturation  so differences became more visible this can help to find the best sample area for a color correction. 

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  • Kevin Pinkerton

    And don't forget that there are two saturation sliders that must be maxed out to get the super saturation. One is in Exposure tool. The other is in the Color Editor tool. In that tool, pick the mult-colored box on the right and then push the saturation slider all the way to the right.

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  • Michael

    Thanks for your suggestions, I have been playing with both color saturation sliders, gradients and color selections. I'm getting closer each time I open the file. I appreciate your guidance with this.

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  • SFA

    Michael,

    That could be a tricky one since the colour area of concern is likely to be quite a mixture of colours.

    I think I would try firstly selecting an accurate pick of the problem colour  - perhaps using 400% in the viewer - using the Advanced Colour picker and then create a masked layer based on that colour. You may want to play with the smoothness slider to constrain any overspill of selection that might take you into areas you do not wish to change. It might well be a fine balance.

    Then you can experiment on the layer (or layers if you want to try different approaches that can be activated and de-activated independently.)

    I think I might try a touch of desaturation and then the Colour Wheel as a quick way of discovering what options are most readily available.

    The Skin Tone tool might be another option but I suspect that its deliberately small adjustment range that allows for fine adjustments of skin tones and similar might be more restrictive here that it would be helpful.

    That said it's difficult to be sure based on what I assume is a screen capture.

    If it is really difficult to get the areas to change on screen you might be battling the colour profile and colour handling of the screen to some extent. If so it might be tricky to get anywhere with the changes you wish to make.

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  • CSP

    ignore SFA it is not difficult 3 min and done... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlGyudCUgII&feature=youtu.be

     

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  • SFA

    CSP,

    Michael seemed to have less success than you did using, presumably, the same tools.

    It was on that basis I suggested it might be a bit tricky. It may also depend on the size of the image Michael wishes to end up with..

    But, as I also mentioned, making suggestions without having access to the original file can appear to produce results that do not entirely carry through successfully to a full image.

    Whether that might be the case here I have no idea. Only Michael will be able to tell us - unless you have used a copy of the original file.

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  • CSP

    @SFA

    it is indeed very kind that you try to be helpful but I personally would never advice others when I have no real experience with the problem I try to help solve.  and no it is not tricky and size does not matter much. you also don’t need a raw file or the development settings to analyse and select the right approach because the sample image clearly shows the issue.  you only need a basic understanding of how to color correct images  indipendent from software.  the steps needed to successfully remove this cast are similar whether you use photoshop lightroom or something else. knowing the tools and their functions in a software  is only a starting point but then you need to know how to apply  them in a certain context.  most online tutorials, videos use images for their demonstration which are no challenge and I have also not  seen many  which show a stragtagic approche so i´m not suprised that even a simple issue like this is hard to solve when you are a beginner or inexperienced.  this could be a field for improvements with the c1 tutorial videos btw.   

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  • Michael

    Thanks again to all for your suggestions. SFA's suggestion got me started particularly with the color wheel. I've used it before but not with an area like this with such a mix of colors. In the end rather than trying to reduce the magenta I used masks, layers, the color wheel and a bit of skin tone to bring out the adjacent colors, mainly orange and red. It's not quite where I want it yet but I am getting there. Having not done a lot of color processing, this was a good learning experience.

    CSP, thanks for taking the time to make that video and validating that I was going in the right direction.

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  • SFA

    @CSP

    For what it's worth I have quite frequently amended such colour renditions in both C1 and older software.

    Often it's easy enough to get an acceptable result, sometimes it's not so easy if the image does not play the game with you or if one has a specific expectation for a result that is not quite so readily obtained from a specific image.

    Michael has clearly not been finding the approach easy up to the point of his earlier post. So either he has a tricky image or his expectations are beyond ordinary. That's what was my earlier reply sort cover. Personally I would not assume that the unappreciated colour was simply a colour cast based on a screen shot alone. Which is why I wondered whether you had access to a more original file.

     

    Also I wonder whether the unwanted colour is largely a result of processing undertaken to date rather than a somewhat extreme exposure straight out of camera. If so it might have been avoidable.

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  • CSP

    i don't know where this should lead I only demonstrated how easy it is to fix this problem without any voodoo and without  utilising every tool c1 offers so what is wrong with that ?  is it  not complicated enough ?  hm as  nobody thinks this is helpful anyway I have taken it down.

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  • Kevin Pinkerton

    @CSP,

    I found it very helpful. I would have liked to have had some audio, but I read between the lines. :)

    A little too much ego got generated in the responses IMO. And we can live with that. Everyone should remember to add "In my opinion" everywhere so folks do not feel like fingers are being pointed in their direction. :)

    It's all good and certainly there is a wealth of knowledge in most of the responses on this forum.

    Kevin

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