Cropping broken - image bigger than original - 4033x6119 instead of 4000x6000
Hello,
I am having a really strange phenomenon since today.
I import pictures with a 6000x4000 resolution and it shows this correctly in the metadata.
However when I click the crop tool it immediately crops in a bit although I have set it to original and the recipe is set to 100%
When I unlock the crop dimensions and put it edge to edge it shows a resolution of 4033x6119.
Cropping outside the picture is disabled!
It all makes no sense. Does someone have an idea? I reset the lens correction, but no difference.
When I go to older pictures I have the same issue. Something must have broken it.
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What do you mean by "reset the lens correction"?
What did you reset?
In the Lens Correction tool what does the "Profile" field say?
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with reset lens correction I meant clicking the middle button with turned arrow in the lens correction tool to reset any user changes.
It says Fujifilm Fujinon XF18-55 or 27mm. So the correct profiles for the pictures
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Right, so you are seeing the Capture One created correction for that lens.
Unless you changed the settings in the correction tool there will be no changes from that profile to reset.
You could, however, choose a different profile - Generic for example. Or perhaps "Manufacturer Profile" if that option is available.
In addition the dimensions reported by the crop tools are influenced by the settings for the currently active Output Process recipe and Capture One will support enlargement of an image up to 250% .
The Ratio of the lengths is still, within a couple of pixels per side variation, 3:2 just as with the 6000 x 4000 nominally reported value of the original file.
So from what you have mentioned so far I would guess that you need to look into whatever the active Output Recipe is defining to fully assess the number that the Crop tool labels are reporting.
I hope that helps a little. It is an area of functionality that can take a little time to feel comfortable with to a point of having "enough" understanding. But once you get there it is very powerful and feature rich.
Cropping outside the image is an entirely different subject.
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Thank you for the detailed answer. You are correct. When changing to "Generic" the dimensions fit perfectly to the original resolution. And when choosing the correct profile and uncheck distortortions I can see the pin cushion.
However, If I try to remember, I think I always had the specific lens profile chosen and never had this issue. So either I must have accidentally hit some shortcut in C1 or something about the raws changed because as far as I remember it always autocorrected the distortions in camera and never showed the real "raw" input even when shooting raw. I faintly remember reading that in order to get the real uncorrected picture in fuji cameras you have to use specific raw editors, but I might remember it incorrectly.
In any way, thank you again. I will have to live with cropping or having a distorted picture if I want the precise 3:2 aspect ratio.
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You might want to consider whether you have seen the same anomaly at the same "length" of zoom in other images using that lens on that body.
Also what happens in terms of adjustments when the lens is user wider than the mid-point (more or less) of the zoom.
It is quite common, at least in my experience with various corrected combinations from Canon, for zoom lens designs to attract the corrections at the wider end since that is where most of the challenges for lens design lie, and have general good results at the longer end. Wider and Longer being relative terms related to the overall zoom capability.
Since the ratio of 4033 x 6199 is almost exactly the same as the ratio as 4000 x 6000 I really doubt you would notice the difference, especially if you specify in your output recipe that the longest side of the output file should be 6000 pixels.
It calculates to 1.51 rather than 1.5 .
What is the target for your output? Print? Screen?
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This is my second attempt at understanding this issue and I think I finally get it, but I don’t consider it a bug.
To duplicate this issue do the following (Fuji cameara and lens):
- In the ‘Output Profile’ make sure the output is NOT scaling (Fixed: 100%)
- In the ‘Lens Correction’ clear the ‘Hide Distorted Area’, and set the ‘Distortion’ to 100% or more.
- In the ‘Crop’ check the ‘Crop Outside Image’.
- Select the ‘Crop’ tool and extend each side of the crop as far as C1 will allow you.
My RAF file should be 6240 x 4160, but as set above it is 6318 x 4285: much bigger… 78 x 125 pixels bigger to be exact. Also I can see Pincushion distortion in the preview (because I told C1 not to hide the distorted areas). At this point if I adjust the ‘Distortion’ control towards 0%, the dimensions fall back to what they should be, but not exact (0% = 6134 x 4160). This may be due to ‘pincushion’ filter being applied and the calculation being off due to rounding error. The way I correct that is by grabbing the top left corner of the Crop, moving it down just a bit to expose unselected image and double clicking with my mouse in that unselected area. That resets the image back to the correct size: 6240 x 4160.
The way I see it: this is not a bug. It allows the user to push the image beyond what would be considered ‘normal’ for whatever reason. If you make sure the ‘Crop Outside Image’ and ‘Hide Distorted Area’ are set correct, you will not see this issue. I just checked, the image snaps back to correct size no matter the ‘Distortion’ setting.
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Sorry for the late feedback, I was a bit busy.
> You might want to consider whether you have seen the same anomaly at the same "length" of zoom in other images using that lens on that body.
I’ve used that exact lens before and I dont remember having any issues then. But usually I shoot at the 50mm range so I might have just overlooked it
>It is quite common, at least in my experience with various corrected combinations from Canon, for zoom lens designs to attract the corrections at the wider end since that is where most of the challenges for lens design lie.
I’m aware of that but I also don’t remember having a bigger resolution than stated when I was using ultra-wides in Lightroom.
> What is the target for your output? Print? Screen?
Just screen.
> It calculates to 1.51 rather than 1.5
I know its really minor but it still annoys me that I need to crop every picture at least a little bit for the exact ratio.
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> In the ‘Lens Correction’ clear the ‘Hide Distorted Area’, and set the ‘Distortion’ to 100% or more.
Which profile did you choose? The correct lens profile or generic?
> At this point if I adjust the ‘Distortion’ control towards 0%, the dimensions fall back to what they should be, but not exact (0% = 6134 x 4160).
When I put the distortion to 0% (lens profile = Fujinon …) I get the exact correct size of 6000x4000
> The way I correct that is by grabbing the top left corner of the Crop, moving it down just a bit to expose unselected image and double clicking with my mouse in that unselected area. That resets the image back to the correct size: 6240 x 4160.
When I do that I get a rounding error 5996x3998
>I just checked, the image snaps back to correct size no matter the ‘Distortion’ setting.
With 0% distortion I get the rounding error. If I put on the standard 100% I get the correct 6000x4000
This is all very confusing right now…
I think the best way to work with it is to just keep everything standard and if I don’t want to crop just use your double-click trick to get the correct dimensions if I accidentally used the crop tool.
So thank you for that insight.
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