Bug (13.1.3.13) : Color Delete option in Advanced Color Editor Tool

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  • gb

    Agree that that's how it works and I assume it is based on the assumption that there is no point in having identical colors there.

    How are you making use of duplicate colors?

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  • SFA

    That looks like the delete of the green selection just results in the removal of other duplicates as well.

    Seems sensible in my opinion.

    However, if you want to report it as a bug you should do so using the "Submit a request" function that can be found near the top of most Community pages.

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  • Prasad Palaniyandi

    SFA,  It not only deletes selected green but also all other green. So none of the green remains. Suppose you selected same color twice and you want to delete one. but because of the bug it deletes both selections.

     

    I created under Community pages only. It was asking to choose the topic from predefined list. That's why I chose Windows category instead of New Features. Please suggest if i need to choose different one?

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  • Prasad Palaniyandi

    GB - Logically you are correct. But technically tool has bug. It should identify the selection and delete that item only. As I am from IT background I find it is design and development blunder.

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  • SFA

    Prasad,

    If you have selected the same colour range multiple times and made no adjustments you actually only have one colour range selection. With no adjustments. Three identical selections are not going to achieve anything that could not be achieved by one.

     

    If you select 3 times and make different adjustments to each of the selections, that may have some purpose and you can delete them all individually. Or just toggle them on and off to see the differences.

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  • Prasad Palaniyandi

    SFA,

     

    I agree with your logic.. Unfortunately  "....you can delete them all individually..."  - this doesn't work for a color added multiple times...

    Suppose I am doing online shopping and I added same product 3 times into cart. Unfortunately cart is designed in such way that instead of incrementing Qty it added same item 3 times with qty 1. Now I want to remove 2 items from cart one by one. when I select one item and click on remove option it should remove that particular selected item only instead of removing all.  Exactly same scenario here. I selected same GREEN and RED 3 times each. When I tried to remove GREEN it not only deletes all GREEN but also 2 RED. Whys should it deleted RED?

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  • gb

    Agree that it is a UI bug but, workflow wise, are you purposely selecting identical colors for some reason or is this for accidental selections?

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  • SFA

    Prasad,

    You are not on line shopping. You have for some reason got 2 or 3 or whatever number of one or more colour range selections that are all identical for each colour. At that point they are one item (i.e. one change). It's not a "count the number" situation.

    However if you apply changes to each of them  - preferably different changes - you will have 3 individual items and they can be changed and deleted individually. That may be useful in some complex situations or if you are checking the effect of different settings and turning them on and off rather like can be done with a layer. If you have applied the separate and different adjustments to each of the selections deleting one of the selection for one of the colours will not delete the other selections for that colour.

     

    You are deleting the edit (or in your examples the lack of edit that leaves the lines displayed as 3 examples of exactly the same non-change. Delete that "change" and all three examples of it are redundant since there is no change.

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  • Prasad Palaniyandi

    PFA,

    I added GREEN and RED 3 times each as shown in the example. When I tried to remove one of the GREENs it not only deletes all GREEN but also 2 RED keeping one RED left. Where does RED come into picture when GREEN is the target for delete. Don't you think it is strange and serious bug in the tool?

     

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  • Kevin Pinkerton

    Prasad,

    I have experienced this same problem. And sometimes it will delete an earlier entry in the list or all but one or two of the color shifts in the list. No consistency except that it happens if I have several color shift entries. I was trying to do a Red <-> Blue channel swap (not a real one, but the best that C1 can do). So my solution was to be very careful, add them in, keep track of how many I have added, and then save it as a preset for future use.

    I am sure this is a bug, and I hope that C1 has fixed it on the upcoming release. I did not report it because I could not get a good scenario going where I knew what to tell them.

     

    Kevin

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  • SFA

    Kevin,

    What settings did you apply to your multiple selection of the same colour to make one selection different to the next? And all of them different form each other?

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  • Prasad Palaniyandi

    Here I am talking about bug caused by "Development" not "Design". In IT world, multi column values are stored in Table object and each Row is represented by unique row object. So when delete option is invoked for the specific row under selection, that particular row object along with all cell objects belong to that row be deleted from table and table to be refreshed to load remaining data. Bug may be due to inexperienced developer or mistake in logic/implementation  or no test case to catch this scenario. What ever may be it is purely IT bug.

     

    BTW, I am from IT background and I can see clearly what is going on :)

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  • Kevin Pinkerton

    SFA,

    I will say that I used a color wheel to create the preset because I am working in IR and there really are no Red and Blues to speak of that jump out. So using the color wheel, I picked the same spot for the red for each red entry and then I just moved it along the wheel in the direction I wanted until I got a pretty good Blue. Then I did the Blue. I picked an original blue again and again and moved it to the red. Finally, I added a few more red entries to tweak the color. I saved it and applied it to an IR image and it does a fair job of swapping the channels. Not really what I want, but the best that C1 can do for now. Here are some images. In the second image, I have the entry highlighted that I want to delete. I hit the minus sign and the last image is what C1 did. WTF? It makes no sense to me.

    Here is what the preset give me. The highlighted entry is just me clicking.

    Here, the entry that I am getting ready to delete...

    And here is what C1 did when I deleted that entry above. They got a bug here for sure. But the whole idea of trying the do a channel swap in C1 is bogus anyway and just a bandaid.

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  • Prasad Palaniyandi

    Great analysis Kevin...

    Do really C1 IT or Customer Support team read this and take it to next level?

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  • Kevin Pinkerton

    Prasad, I sent them a link to my comment above as an open issue just now. I am sure they are going to ask me for more data, but at least I sent it.

    I wrote software for almost 40 years for Windows, DOS, Linux. I have used several different frameworks, which I am sure that C1 is also doing so they can use the same code base for Macs and PCs. I know this is a bug and it is obvious enough that I am sure it can be replicated easily.

    If anyone wants to see if it acts the same way on their computer, download this and put it in
    C:\Users\xxxx\AppData\Local\CaptureOne\Presets60\Color Editor

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/135bc_HNhPrCuV6XUTtbpXpdf6URcsme2/view?usp=sharing 

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  • SFA

    Kevin,

    Unless you are seeing something different to me the bulk line delete you are observing only applies if all of the lines are identical.

     

    Same selection point, "slice" in the colour wheel, and all slider settings.

    In most use cases that is probably rather unusual although yours may be an exception.

    The tool seeks to deliver a cumulative value of adjustment for each adjustment type and colour(s) pick point.

     

    This in Prasad original screen grab example it would suggest that the lines have been created based on multi-clicking the sam point on an image (where colour mixes usually vary quite a lot over very small distances) or on the colour samples provided - in which case the colour samples may be entirely constant and therefore more likely to produce identical "records".

    If none of the values have been adjusted there is no point in having multiple records which will give the same result as one record. From a processing point of view it makes sense to eliminate the duplicate (and in that case unused) selections.

    Or to make some adjustments before deleting the unrequired selection lines.

    In your use case I could see a different argument but then you know that you want to modify the colours by 180 degrees of the colour wheel - 6 adjustment rows.

    If all of the adjustment rows have been selected to the exactly  the same point for exactly the same colour mix and adjusted by exactly the same values they may well appear to be potential duplicates in any tidy-up process linked to performance optimisation. So you would run the risk of them being understood as duplicates.

    The simple solution, in the event, for example, that you have a extra row that you do not need, would be to either simply disable it rather then delete it or just change a value somewhere so that it is no longer identical and therefore can be deleted in isolation form any other selections.

    That works on my Windows system. It would be good to know whether it also work on yours.

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  • Kevin Pinkerton

    SFA,

    I did submit this as a ticket today, and I understand your reasoning. However, I am pretty sure that each color, even though they appear the same in the UI, are slightly off. I can edit the xml file and play with if it matters a lot. But I will see what C1 has to say about this as well. If this worked better for channel swapping, I would pursue it. But I do have other editors that will do channel swapping the correct way. I know channel swapping has been on the "I want this feature" list for awhile, and I did add my vote there. But I also know that C1 does not work in channels like other software and unless they do underneath and decide to give us a hook into it.... not putting much hope into it.

    Kevin

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