Support for New Apple M1 Chip?

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  • Marco Hyman

    We're just users.  How would we know?  Capture One is not saying anything public about version 21 other than it will be released some time in the future.

    My guess as someone who sometimes develops software for Macs...   Native support will come later.  Initial support will be under Rosetta II -- if it works.   That would be my guess for most software written for the Mac.  It will take time for developers to get enough machines (due to both budget and availability) to be able to test native development.

    For some vendors native support will be as simple as re-compiling using the appropriate version of Xcode (Apple's software development environment).  But they won't know that until they are able to test.   That takes time.

    So the question may be "will Capture One work when running under Rosetta II on Apple silicon"?   Your guess is as good as mine.

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  • Jason Hoffman

    I came here looking for the same info. My 2015 MBP is getting long in the tooth. I've ordered an M1 MBP, despite the 16gb RAM. Capture One doesn't run great on my current machine. If the same is true for the new MacBooks, I may just give up on C1. I can handle no mobile app, different DAM, worse integration with other apps, etc., but if it's STILL slow on a new machine, especially one where the speed of PS/LR were featured, I might be frustrated (though C1 does make my Fuji RAWs look beautiful). 

     

     

     

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  • Jonathan Knights

    I will probably get a new MacMini as my latest is a 2015 one so any answers from PhaseOne will be interesting.  However I would prefer to update to a iMac but these wont be announced until next year.

    I would expect that PhaseOne will update v21 to support M1 chip but there are no guarantees on this but I have to ask why wouldnt they!.  

    Whilst I am sure that they are aware of Big Sur and M1 their focus must be on getting v21 out the door with a  later v21.x release that works on Big Sur.

    I think that patience must be something we need to apply to ourselves.

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  • Peter Orczykowski

    Apple has made it clear that in two years all of their hardware will be running on their silicon. That doesn't really leave many options for Phase One if they want to continue selling to Mac users, does it?. So the real question is when rather than if. Most C1 users, especially pros, run their software on high end hardware and that is still Intel only. Including 16" MacBook Pro, Apple's only laptop with discreet graphics. We have another year at least IMHO before this subject becomes relevant.

    What Phase One should do however, is announce their commitment to Apple and intent to support M1 at some stage in the future. This would help many with their hardware purchases going forward. Or indeed with the choice of editing software.

     

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  • photo by FA

    Well C20 won’t, I don’t think C21 will either as it is already on beta. Well yes it will support but with Rosetta, not natively. Don’t forget CO yet to support Metal which hasn’t happened yet

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  • Jason Hoffman

    Well, pre-production equipment has been available to developers for a long time. Considering the MBP’s importance to creative pros, I have to think they prepared for the M1’s arrival.

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  • CSP

    lets face it this is not adobe, affinity, dxo, iridient...  this is c1 they don't communicate with us user and they don't care much what we want or what happens outside their self praise bubble. I did not hear one word from them what plans they have for the transition to apple silicone since the announcement and this tell very much what I need to now. they never have been ready for the new osx version and this sad drama is staged now every year so does really anybody think they are hard working on an apple silicon version ?    

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  • photo by FA

    If anybody has a beta c21, they can check if the software has ARM codes or not

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  • Jason Hoffman

    Here's some info - https://twitter.com/The_Nerd/status/1326438519942901760

     

     

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  • Truman Prevatt

    I also have Iridient Developer on my Mac.  I got an Email yesterday that the download for Iridient on the new Apple Silicon is available.  Being interesting in the performance I contacted Iridient about the performance.  Brian told me that with the Mac mini kit Apple supplied developers the porting to native support of the M1 chip was very smooth.  Affinity just released their native support.  Adobe is releasing their native support soon.  Phase One (just like other vendors) have had copies of Big Sur for several months.  If Iridient, Affinity and Adobe can pull it off - why can't Capture 1.

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  • photo by FA

    Arrogance is not just a word. So is ignorance

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  • CSP

    brian is outstanding and the opposite to what we have to experience here.  no other software company is as secretive and arrogant this days as c1 but I´m very sure they will have to pay a price for this attitude.  being pretentious but deliver nothing will not work in the long run. 

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  • Peter Guyton

    Having gone through maybe 9 years of upgrade cycles with C1 and having participated in various betas (maybe three of them, but not the current one), I've also been frustrated over the years at C1's lack of transparency.  I replaced Photoshop with Affinity a while ago and enjoyed Affinity's support forums and the open and frank discussions of the Affinity developers during the beta.   

    Obviously, PhaseOne holds their cards extremely close to the vest and choose to keep users guessing on any future plans. It's a conscious choice on their part and surely they have their reasons.  But given history, it's likely that v21 will be released in 3 to 4 weeks and with it we will get more info on Apple silicon support. Complaints about this approach (attitude?) have been present for probably a decade, but the product keeps improving and it seems more and more are using it.

    Most of the training webinars run by C1 I've attended and run on macOS.  I think that's a good sign that they will support Apple Silicon sooner than later, especially if there are performance benefits to be had.  

     

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  • CSP

    most companies announce their plans for the future to improve the connection with their user and keep them in their camp. it is far easier to deal with short comings when you know they are working on it (affinity is a very good example ) or when in our case a ARM version will be ready. if you are a innovative company you should have zero issues with that. so why does c1 not follow such a simple plan ? probably because they have nothing to talk about so they prefer to use their marketing machine to blow up the small improvements and flood the web with advertising, discounts and paid YouTuber praising their product, this is for sure not the behaviour of a leading innovative company. 

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  • Peter Orczykowski

    I have no doubt, C1 will be running on M1 chip. How easy this is going to be is another story. C1 started many, many years ago. Just like Lightroom Classic and Aperture. Perhaps there is a hint in how hard it is to maintain the old code competitive in what both Adobe and Apple decided to do with theirs. Ditch them. Apple, typically for the company, hard but short pain, Adobe cooking the frog slowly, but inevitably.

    C1 on my system loads for minutes, enough to walk away and make a cuppa. (65K images) Lightroom takes few seconds with the same catalog. My observation is that it is the metadata, mostly keywords that slow loading of C1, "naked" catalog loads much faster. I don't think C1 engineers don't care about it, it's just very hard to change. (Once loaded, software is faster than Lightroom on my system)

    It all depends how hard it is to port the software onto the new silicon AND make sure that it takes full advantage of the architecture. I am also somewhat sceptical about Apple's claim of 3.5 to 5 times performance benefit. Real life app vs benchmark. Time will tell...

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  • Robert Farhi

    @ Peter

    "C1 on my system loads for minutes, enough to walk away and make a cuppa. (65K images) Lightroom takes few seconds with the same catalog. My observation is that it is the metadata, mostly keywords that slow loading of C1, "naked" catalog loads much faster. I don't think C1 engineers don't care about it, it's just very hard to change. (Once loaded, software is faster than Lightroom on my system)"

    I have checked that when "all images" are selected in the library and the filter is active, it takes C1 a very long time to open (not minutes for me, however, as I have only 25k images). Some users tried removing the filter from the library tool tab, and it seemed to work faster.

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  • Emile Gregoire

    This same question popped up during their live Facebook event on C1 21 and the support team from C1 answered they plan to update v21 in early 2021 with native Apple M1 support. Adobe has only stated “sometime next year” for Lr Classic as far as I’ve read, but I’m sure the naysayers will find something to blame C1 for while praising Adobe.

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  • CSP

    @ Emile Gregoire ...not true a m1 photoshop beta is already out and LR will run on m1 in december.  

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  • Marco Hyman

    The PS Beta announced today supports a limited number of features.  To quote the Adobe blog

        "This early version of Photoshop for Apple Silicon offers many of the core Photoshop features that you've come to rely on for your day to day editing needs, and we'll be adding more features in the weeks to come. Note that Beta software is not officially supported yet by Adobe, but we want to hear from you, and this is the place to let us know how it's going."

    and in a later bullet point:

       "This is not a fully functioning version of Photoshop; it contains several limitations compared to the more widely available version of Photoshop for Macintosh. Over time, more features will be made available. See the 'Known Issues' section below for more details."

    The blog entry can be read here: https://feedback.photoshop.com/conversations/photoshop-beta/photoshop-beta-for-mac-arm-is-here/5fb359d3ca9d527a59c4677e

    In my opinion calling something that is less than full featured a "beta" is a stretch.

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  • CSP

    At  least a beta you can talk about...    

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  • Emile Gregoire

    "but I’m sure the naysayers will find something to blame C1 for while praising Adobe."

    I rest my case.

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  • Jason Hoffman

    I picked up an M1 MacBook Pro today to replace my 2015 model, which worked fine with LR, but C1 was too slow. I like C1 and hate Fuji worms, so was desperate for something faster. Processing 1000+ event photos while waiting seconds between each edit is excruciating. The Intel models are $$$, so I figured this supposedly-fast-yet-lacking-RAM M1 model would do until they release the faster Apple chips. 

    On arriving home, the first thing I did was install and test C1. Edits happen immediately with the movement of the slider, and RAWs render quickly when zooming in. What a relief! Maybe it isn't as smooth and fast as a 16" MBP with a graphics card, but compared to my 2015 it's great. At the moment, the program must be using Rosetta to operate, so it can only get faster when they add native support. 

    I was always a little miffed that LR ran so well on my old computer while C1 didn't, but I love the look of RAWs in C1 and continuing to use .raf files is important to me, so C1 it is. This computer will do fine and I'm glad I got it. 

     

     

     

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  • Marco Hyman

    Thank you for that report, Jason.  I can only imagine how much faster it might be once Capture One comes out with a Native version of their app.

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  • CSP

    @ Emile Gregoire what's wrong when a company does the right things ?  some user simply don't like to be treated like paying idiots.  it is unbelievable that user have to find out for themselves if a software they have payed for works on a new system, c1 had plenty of time to test c1 with rosetta. 

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  • Whitesnake

    @jason hoffman: please tell us your benchmark score of your old mac and the M1 Mac, this would be interesting. Here is how it works: https://support.captureone.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360009396217-GPU-benchmarks-values-only?page=1#comments

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  • Ari Kangas

    Performance looks promising, but will Rosetta destroy battery life as badly as the original did? It was usable only when plugged in. Currently I've zero interest in M1 macs until they come up with enough native software. 

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  • Brett Brock

    Ari,

    I've been running C1 20 on a new MacBook Air M1 (8gb RAM, 512gb SSD) for almost 2 wks and there is zero impact on battery life issue; I see 12-16hrs easily between charges with lots of editing while playing music or a movie on air play. C1 20 flies on M1 vs the loaded  2018 iMac and MacBook Pro Intel machines I used to use. I have not done tethering so no comment on that, but everything else is instant-fast through Rosetta2; I can't imagine how much faster C1 will run natively on the M1 machines.

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  • Emile Gregoire

    @ Emile Gregoire ...not true a m1 photoshop beta is already out and LR will run on m1 in december.  

    You're correct!

    "We’re excited to bring CC apps to Apple Silicon devices, including native support for Lightroom next month and Photoshop in early 2021...the team is working on a native version of Lightroom Classic for Apple Silicon, and it will be released next year. We’re also committed to continuing support for Intel-based Macs." - Adobe, 12 November .

    It's only that I was quite explicitly talking about Lr Classic. What I said was as true then as it is now. For all we know C1 will have M1 support sooner than Adobe has it for its direct competitor, which is not the cloud-based Lightroom. Hence: "but I’m sure the naysayers will find something to blame C1 for while praising Adobe."

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  • CSP

    ...sure... p1 is always lightning fast at adding support for new os versions.  oh wait Big Sur Is still not officially supported after almost a month after release and a half year of beta tests... wow.   like it or not this company is a sad joke compared to adobe. 

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