ProStandard Profiles for Nikon Z50

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  • gb

    This is the wrong forum for feature requests.
    You should re-post here:
    https://support.captureone.com/hc/en-us/community/topics/360000154057-Feature-Requests

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  • SFA

    "Are you going to release such profiles? My colleagues who shoot with mirrorless Nikon Z6 and Z7 they love their Profiles. I do notice some strange colour rendering with my Z50 and I am sure the ProProfiles could help with that."

     

    C1 have not, historically, commented on specific future developments. However when this feature was discussed at some point in the Sneak Preview series (as I recall) the intention to extend coverage to additional bodies was mentioned. There were some additions during the beta test period.

    It was also indicated that the initial selection of profiles was based on the fact the the cameras offered represented about 60% of the all images processed through Capture One. So I would assume that popularity of body adoption is a significant factor for the order in which the profiles are developed and introduced

    This being primarily a User to User forum I doubt you will see a reply here but, as gb has suggested, using the feature requests thread means you are able to indicate your specific interest and that may influence the order in which the profiles, if appropriate for the hardware, are developed and released.

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  • Keith R

    "I do notice some strange colour rendering with my Z50"

    Note that you can apply the Z6/Z7 profiles to your Z50 images - just choose them from the drop-down.

    You can even rename the Z50 profile in its Windows folder (so that doesn't get called) and copy/rename the Z6/Z7 profile to the name of the Z50 profile - then it's a "permanent" choice.

    I used to do this all the time with my Canon camera profiles, because I've never been happy with Capture One colours on newer cameras (too "dayglo" to be of any use to me), and much preferred profiles from older cameras.

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  • Christiaan mak

    Sorry Keith, but this is bad advice. The color profiles are not isolated from other tweaks that are apllied when implementing raw support for a camera. For instance: the white balance values that are assigned when loading a raw file of the Sony A7RII, actually change, both kelvin and tint, when editing the metadata to make CO1 believe that it is a Sony A7RIII raw file.

    In other words, just simply assigning a Sony A7RIII generic .icc profile to a raw file from the Sony A7RII, firmly shifts the colors because the white balance values that are assigned to the image, do not fit the .icc profile, unless you change the metadata from the A7RII file to make CO1 see it as an A7RIII raw file. Only thén can you safely use the A7RIII profile. This is something I have done for the past two years with good results, but remember that these cameras are very similar.

    I doubt that changing a Z50 metadata to Z6 or Z7 will work well, if at all, given the totally different image size to begin with. Merely applying the generic .icc profile from another camera is bad practice, as you will see when you use the Sony A7RIII profile with the a raw image from the Sony A7RII: you get pronounced color shifts, since the Sony A7RIII profile is tweaked to a different assignment of white balance values from the same raw data. In other words: if a user wants the benefits of a ProStandard color profile, no other way than to ask Phase One for support, ór take a big and arbitrary gamble that the white balance values are assigned identically.

    For both Sony models, the kelvin difference was around 135 cooler for the Sony A7RIII, and also the tint slider was very different. I remember that e.g. yellow shifted towards orange when using the A7RIII generic profile on a A7RII image without changing the metadata.

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  • Keith R

    Sigh...

    Christiaan, I've been using Capture One since version 3; I've been using this trick since version 8 or thereabouts; and the evidence of my own eyes, over umpteen versions, and thousands of images, is that it's an incredibly effective solution to the problem the OP complains about.

    I've also recommended it on numerous occasions on the old forum, with uniformly positive results, and the gratitude of those it has helped - do you SERIOUSLY think that the OP Is the first person to have complained about Capture One's "off" colours?

    Instead of pontificating about theoreticals, have you TRIED what I'm suggesting?

    You clearly haven't. Or your uninformed theorising would never have made it into words.

    IT WORKS.

     

     

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  • Christiaan mak

    I actually have been using CO1 since v3 as well, and have the Nikon Z7 that I use with the new ProStandard profile. I also have the Nikon DS500, which uses the same sensor, albeit an earlier version, as the Z50. I have in fact tried to use the Z7's ProStandard profile for the D500, because I like the new ProStandard profile a lot, and the D500 generic profile is a very inaccurate and undersaturated profile.

    Unfortunately, even though at first look, the D500 images look better with the Z7 ProStandard profile, you soon start to see certain colors shift just enough to leave that option behind. Using the Z7 ProStandard profile on one D500 image which then may look great, does not mean that colors in (quite a few) other D500 images may not be off with the Z7 ProStandard profile applied.

    That is why I in fact have written to support asking for a dedicated D500 ProStandard profile. And I have in fact used the new Sony A7RIII ProStandard profile with my old A7RII images, but áfter changing the metadata to "model: Sony A7RIII" so that the images are imported into CO1 with CO1 applying the Sony A7RIII white balance values matching the Sony A7RIII icc profiles.

    I would say: make use of an exiff editor and change the metadata field "model" of your Nikon Z6 or 7 into another model like "Nikon Z50" and see if CO1 accepts the images. If it does, you may well notice that the white balance settings are then different. That may take away the notion that this is all a bunch of theorising. It may give you some feeling on how CO1 matches their icc profiles and their interpretation of the white balance settings to achieve a look.

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  • Christiaan mak

    I followed Keith's suggestion and used the Nikon Z7 ProStandard profile on a number of images from my D500 with various color palettes. And yes, it works but with a caveat: I have to adjust the white balance values of auto white balanced images to get to the same baseline as when using the generic D500 profile (which is really quite awful in handling blue tones of water or sky). With some experimenting, it is not all too difficult to find the white balance offset and apply the value corrections for kelvin and tint to all images. That is the only way to get rid of a baseline color cast due to the fact that the profile is not synced with the D500 white balance implementation.

    If you completely forego on auto white balance, and always white balance your images manually, than this is not an issue of course.

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