ICC Style is not applied second time in C1 21
I am using ICC-based Styles in latest C1 14.0.2 and have next problem - if I apply style, then un-apply it - I can not apply it again, it just does not do nothing. Non-ICC adjustments on Style, however, are applied after that. After restart of C1 everything works but stops working again should I un-apply ICC style.
Problem does not appear if I:
- Remove the style by clicking on it under Styles and Presets (the panel above the User Styles) and selecting "Clear from Background"
- Also it doesn't happen when I remove styles via Ctrl + R.
- It never happened on Macs
Styles I use - https://luts.iwltbap.com/ and https://reallyniceimages.com/products/rni-all-films-5-pro-for-capture-one.html
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To report this as a possible problem to the C1 Support team you really need to use the "Submit a request" option.
Can I ask why you would want to apply a style twice?
Would you want the second application to overwrite any adjustments you had already made that would be replaced by re-applying the style?
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Apologies, maybe I was not clear enough. I do not want to apply style twice - problem is when I apply one style, then I want to try another style - so I click on currently applied style it to de-select it, and click on another style. Then I want to go back and apply first style again - so I click on style 2 which is currently applied to de-select it, and click on style 1 again - and it does not work anymore. Hope it is clear now.
I've reported it to support already but it looks like it takes folks more than 24 hours to reply.
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Hi Hank,
OK, now I understand.
That sounds odd in some ways but it's maybe not so illogical in other ways. However it would probably take me a while to test my theory and then write it up in a way that would make sense.
The trouble I can foresee is that style, if applied, then simple an edit and if one make adjustments after the style is applied - as is fully expected since the style is only a starting point not a fixed destination destination - it might be difficult to decide what the reverse out should consist of. After that I think as an editing activity the is no sure way to separate the application (or removal) of a style from an alternative set of edit actions.
So you end up with "is the value of this field in this variant the "default" value for the tool as applied to an unedited image. If it is then it may be safe to change it. If it isn't then the user has already edited i in some way somehow. Should the value be changed again? If so, to what new value?
There is also the consideration of what to do according to how the "Stack styles and presets?" switch is currently set.
Ideally, if one is just viewing, one can simply select the variant and hover the cursor over the style one after the other to see the effect.
If I was in the habit of trying multiple styles for an image perhaps several times (or, as I do, see the effects of different edits but not so much starting with a style) I would simply create 2 (or more) variants of the image and apply different styles to each of them and then compare them side by side or by flipping between them if required. If nothing else that would significantly reduce the processing overhead. However, for me it simply offers a better experience and improved control over editing activity efforts.
I think in terms of free tech support the service available to general user is typically going to be differentiated from the service that the Enterprise premium subscription model users have opted for. They get a target of 24hours response so the expectation of those on a lesser arrangement should, presumably, be longer than that.
I hope this all helps in some way
Edit to add: If you apply styles using layers. things can be looked at differently yet again.
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There's nothing logical, it is just a bug in C1 which is reproducible 100% not only with me - I've asked Style creators and they confirmed it happened to other users as well.
No rocket science here, behavior is not as expected, and non-ICC styles work fine all the time.
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Steps to reproduce.
1. Select a photo and click on ICC-based Style.
2. Click on applied Style again so it is de-selected and removed from photo
3. Click on same style again.Expected behavior: Style is applied same way as in Step 1
Actual behavior: nothing happens, style is not applied. If style contains any Adjustments (like Exposure), these adjustments are applied, but ICC profile is not.0 -
Ah, OK I had not quite clicked that referring specifically and only to the ICC part of a style.
Nevertheless my suggestion of using separate variant of the image still stands as what I believe to be a far more useful and effective approach to what you are trying to achieve. Also simpler and easier.
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Same issue for me. Can be easily reproduced with RNI Films 5 or any other ICC-based styles on Windows.
How to reproduce:
- Apply an ICC-based style
- Click on the style under "User styles" again to remove it
- Try applying same style again to the same or any other photo: it just stops working.
What I found so far:
- This happens in C1 v.21 for Windows only. On MAC everything works flawlessly.
- This doesn't happen if you remove the style by clicking on it under "Styles and Presets" instead of "User styles"
- This doesn't happen it you remove style via Ctrl + R instead of clicking on it under "User styles"
So it is clearly a Capture One bug.
Would really appreciate if you could raise it with the engineers.0 -
I've submitted a support request on Monday at 19:04, still no reply there.
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I'm pretty sure it's due to the fact that these ICC profiles weren't specifically made for the camera and may contain some 'unusual' data. Whether there's any meta-data or whatnot I'm not sure, but I've had a similar issue where ICC profiles were not applied to the next image while tethering.
I believe I somehow circumvented the issue by copying the ICC profiles in the "Color Profile" folder and adding a prefix that contained the camera name.
Though I don't know whether that'll solve your problem, it's sure worth a try.0 -
How do you define the term "ICC-based style"? Is it a style that does include an ICC-profile setting for Base Characteristics tool?
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@C-M-B I'm pretty sure it's due to the fact that these ICC profiles weren't specifically made for the camera and may contain some 'unusual' data.
Doesn't seem logical to me. If the profiles were wrong, the glitch would persist for any method of removing style on both Mac and Windows. But that's not the case.
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Paul Steunebrink How do you define the term "ICC-based style"? Is it a style that does include an ICC-profile setting for Base Characteristics tool?
ICC-based style is a style which is an ICC profile applied via "Styles" tool.
Such style consists of usual .costyle file and .ICC file (profile) located in same folder.
Example of ICC-based style .costyle file content:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<SL Engine="1100">
<E K="ICCProfile" V="FUJI 400H.icc"/>
<E K="Name" V="FUJI 400H"/>
<E K="StyleSource" V="Styles"/>
<E K="UUID" V="{ACEA5A28-7BB8-42AD-9CD2-12D6AA375F4C}"/>
</SL>0 -
btw it is now 3 days I am waiting for reply from Support team - request submitted Monday 19:04
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btw it is now 3 days I am waiting for reply from Support team - request submitted Monday 19:04
Luckily we have an alternative. Removing any style by clicking on its name under "Styles and Presets" (the panel above "User Styles") still works without any issues.
But overall this tells us that Capture One code can be a mess. One feature (remove style) called from two different places, inches apart on screen, works differently.
So, most likely, it's not reusing the same code and looks like a plate of spaghetti under the hood.0 -
Luckily we have an alternative.
Yeah, this time. But what if I had my C1 crashing or not working in any other way and I needed it for my work?..
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@first last
The specific service level proposition of the "Enterprise" level license seems to have been created to address the concerns and needs of professionals who might seek a fairly rapid response when seeking help, amongst other things.
That was probably in order to address your "not working" concern so that your issue would not be stuck in a queue behind a less important (to you if not to the problem holder) discussion about the esoterics of font sizes or something else that is not a complete show stopper.
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So much for Capture One calling their support "professional"...
(though I think they even removed that claim from the website because it's just a bit embarrassing even for them)0 -
It is Friday so now a week I am waiting for reply from "support".
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Hi,
yesterday I downloaded RNI All Films 5, great product.
Unfortunately I discovered and can now confirm the bug in C1 21 Pro Windows, Build 14.0.2.36 (3ded217).
ICC Style is not applied second time, it is not practical to use variants all the time, I just want to compare styles, as long as I hover the mouse over it everything is fine but if I click on it and then change my mind that style is no longer usable a second time. To restore normal behavior it is necessary to close and restart C1.
Please fix this bug.
Dario
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Dario
I suggest you to submit a support request also.
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Hi Hank,
I just sent a support request.
Hopefully they will fix it soon.
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9 days since submitting of a support request. No reply.
It looks like nobody really is looking into those support requests.
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Finally after number of chases in Instagram I've got Victor assigned to my case! He asked for logs. Let's see how long it will take them to reply again :)
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Hank,
In most cases, especially with evident processing problems where you have no doubt that there is a significant and repeatable problem to investigate, it is always a good idea to engage with the request on the Support log creation page to send log files, etc., at the same time as creating the request.
You may as well send them since the next step will usually be a request to send the log files.
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Good news everyone! This was considered a bug and will be fixed in one of the next releases.
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Hey Hank,
i know this is an old thread but i ran into this issue right now (C1 - v22) with the exact same conditions:
- Fuji .raf RAW-File
- RNI 5 Pack
After applying a style for the first time, everything is good. But when unchecking/deleting it, no more styles are applied. Important to mention is, that only the RNI-Styles are affected, not the one that come with C1. Another point is, that the error wont happen with other RAW-Files. (at least for me with files from an Lumix S5).
I found out, that it has to do with the settings, that are applied BEFORE you apply the style.
In my case:
- ICC-Profile: Fujifilm X-Pro3 Generic
- Curve: Auto
When changing the Curve to anything else, than the Fujifilm ones, it works fine! (e.g. linear, film - standard, and so on)
Hope this helps other people who run into the same issue...
EDIT: This is exactly the workaround RNI states on their site too:
Will it work Fujifilm RAW?Yes. But you'll need to manually set your Fujifilm RAW curve to "Film Standard" prior to applying a style. Otherwise the style will take no effect.
https://reallyniceimages.com/products/rni-all-films-5-pro-for-capture-one.html#fujifilm-raw
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