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  • Andy Gawthrope

    My upgrade from a C1 Pro 20 single user, perpetual license to a C1 Pro 21 single user, perpetual license was £159 or approx. 176 Euro. 

    What is the license you currently have Fabrizio? For example, is it a C1 Pro 20 single user or something different?

    Andy

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  • fabrizio cicconi

    Last year i bought C1 Pro 20 subscription, and this year was automatically the renewal at C1 Pro 21 Subscription... different price...

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  • Andy Gawthrope

    Ah, ok Fabrizio.  ;-). I’m not so familiar with subscription type licenses.  I guess you got a discount deal last year and this year you are being asked for the non-discounted price.  Hence the difference in price.  But I note that a new 1yr subscription is £180 which is about €200.

    A new perpetual licence is £299/€331 in year one and then approximately £160/€177 each time you choose to upgrade.  With the subscription you must pay each year, but note that year one is significantly cheaper than with a perpetual license.  I do not know if there is a discount on subscription renewals but probably not based on your costs. As I understand it, the perpetual license, even if you upgrade each year, is the cheaper option.

    Andy

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  • CSP

    c1 is probably in financial distress and they do the same as they did with their camera business massively raise prices to compensate for the lower sales. think it didn´t really work for their camera business although they  have bound customers like rent shops and it will not help their software business taking into account this joke of an update.  

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  • James Grove

    A subscription model will always be cheaper, if you plan to use the software continuously. If you want to own your current version then you can buy the perpetual license. A great deal depends on your happiness to tie yourself into the software. Personally if you can get a discount it I don't think its bad value, but I do wish they more transparent with the road map, and also this forum has almost zero interaction with any of the support team, it has become a user to user support group.

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  • Duncan Andison

    I work full time as an illustrator / photographer so the cost of the license isn’t something I’d have a problem paying at all.

    But, I won’t be. I have the full package of Adobe software that I use all the time and I’ve put together a nice workflow using LR mobile to process imagery and use C1 purely as a key wording tool because I can manually order the keywords with it. However, that’s not enough reason to keep it going. 

    At £200 an upgrade, it’s nearly half the cost of ALL of Adobe software... and its only one app. The upgrades do not warrant the cost at all. So, while I could pay it, I won’t out of principle. It feels like they’re not the only game in town and they’re now taking every opportunity to make themselves less and less attractive proposition. I’ll just set up an emulator to run the current app should future versions not work.

    I think they need to remember that the photographers package at Adobe is £9.99 a month... photoshop, Lightroom mobile and Lightroom classic. Also, the option to use mobile phone and iPad apps. Which I also make use of. C1 is now offering too little for far too much.

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  • fabrizio cicconi

    I use C1 from 2006 and i think that it's a great software for tethering, post production and workflow. The output file has a great quality. Many time if i don't need big postproduction, I use only C1.

    Hasselblad for example with Phocus, can develop only the Hasselblad files. 

    I only don't understand their pricing policy... they probably sell less and earn the same amount.

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  • CSP

    how they act and what they deliver is a clear indicator for a company in decline and I think it is not a good development.  it took them far to long to develop an improved camera to compete with hasselblad and when it was ready it looked already old and outdated but with an insane price tag, something similar will happen with c1 the signs are already there.  when you consider the small amount of c1 user it is more astonishing, adobe and others will not wait...

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  • Marco Hyman

    A subscription model will always be cheaper, if you plan to use the software continuously.

    You can not say that without knowing future pricing decisions by Capture One.  They could raise or lower prices in a way to invalidate your model.   FWIW in the past it was possible to pay less than the subscription price for the latest and greatest Capture One.  The key was waiting to buy until the product was discounted.  That sometimes meant buying before you really knew what you were paying for.

    Example: it was possible to upgrade from version 20 to version 21 for about $128.   It may have even been less during "black Friday".  The is well below a the subscription price for a year of product use.

    Will this be true in the future?  Unknown.  Costs and frequency of upgrade could all change.

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  • Jonathan Lipkin

    Also, it looks like they just raised their prices. From a recent email:

     

    "As part of our ongoing commitment to keep our community informed, we're reaching out about price changes to select products. As you have recently upgraded to Capture One 21, you won't be affected by the changes.

    However, we're letting you know that the prices for Capture One for Fujifilm, Capture One (for Sony) and Capture One for Nikon are in the process of being updated to bring them in line with Capture One Pro. This is to better reflect that these products all offer the same complete set of professional tools and features.

    You can expect to see the updated prices in our store in the near future."

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  • BeO

    Capture One Pro Upgrade will rise from €169 to €219.

    Upgrade Capture One for Fujifilm, Capture One (forSony) und Capture One for Nikon will rise from €129 to €169.

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    In 2018 I paid 85 Euro incl.(!) tax for an upgrade for the pro version, probably with a discount code.

    I am a customer since version 8 in 2015 and prices have risen exponentially since then. Until recently it was possible to see the complete order history if you are logged in, that is no longer the case. Guess why.

     

    I doubt that costs have risen so much, I guess it is the pure greed of the new investor!

    The new features of v21 are not a good value prop. with such high prices, imo.

     

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  • fabrizio cicconi

    Who is the new investor?

     

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  • CSP

    "I doubt that costs have risen so much, I guess it is the pure greed of the new investor!"

    their hardware side is probably no success since years and burning all the money they made with software so they decided to take as much as possible from us. they also  finished 2019 already with a loss beside much increased software business.....

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  • BeO

    fabrizio ,

    I think last year the company was bought by Axcel.

    https://support.captureone.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360014355357-Capture-One-Raising-the-Rates-Again 

     

    CSP,

    In 2015 I liked the tool, I liked the image quality, and the company. Meanwhile I have more spam from Capture One trying to upsell styles and upgrades as well as subscriptions than from any other software company, and their pricing increase over the years is absurd. I no longer have any more sympathy for the company than for Adobe.

    You know they had a loss? Do they publish their figures?

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  • Claude CAUWE

    Doesn't look good indeed.

    Really sounds like they are having financial troubles, hampering groundbreaking developments and trying to squeeze money from all sides.

    Pity, but their development/marketing policy has to be blamed for it, for not listening to their users' base.

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  • Claude CAUWE

    I would add:

    Their inability of delivering the Nikon Z6ii and Z7ii compatibility is just a sign of it.

    They are getting (even more) less reactive.

    Totally not-understandable at a moment they have "Nikon versions" available.
    That will cost them a big bunch a customers that need their files to make a living.

    It is just a question of time before "C1P > LightRoom converters" appear on the market.
    And that will the final plummeting of a nice dream.

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  • CSP

    last year the roll out of c20 was a disaster with overhelmed support and many frustrated user, now they devalued the software for new user and only added a bad written dehaze tool and some cosmetic changes for even more money and of course with old and new bugs and problems. considering the very small market share this is really astonishing. but when you look at their hardware business you see the same attitude and problems. the pandemic is a real challenge for many professional photographers and why other companies are at least sympathetic c1 is as arrogant as always and massivly raised prices too, disgusting. 

    @ Claude they have a sony version which does not read all sony raw formats so i´m not surprised they ignore Nikon user. it is all about marketing nothing else.

    @beo https://regnskaber.cvrapi.dk/99698871/amNsb3VkczovLzAzL2I4L2JjL2UxLzE4LzY5NDctNDhlZi1hM2Y5LWQyNDNiYWVlYmJkNQ.pdf

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  • Claude CAUWE

    @ Claude they have a sony version which does not read all sony raw formats so i´m not surprised they ignore Nikon user. it is all about marketing nothing else.

    Possible. But Nikon, who is not in the best shape either, invested massively to promote the "Z" range, and especially the Z6ii and Z7ii - resulting in flattering sales numbers and reviews.

    So these users come now to the demosaicing market and see that C1P still is not ready - after one month.
    All the others (LR, DxO) have profiles. C1P just stays silent.

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  • CSP

    seems Nikon user have to learn to kowtow and wait until the supreme leaders in image quality decide to support your cameras....this is how things are in the wonderfull c1 world. 

     

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  • Claude CAUWE

    Yepp ... While opening wide the door for the competition to come in and steal their user's base...

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  • CSP

    ..nobody needs to steal user they will move to other options voluntary when this bad show goes on and I have no doubt it will. 

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  • Claude CAUWE

    True.
    And sad at the same time.

    Let's hope some serious company emerges to buy them over before it's too late.

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  • CSP

    some years ago I thought being bought by a big player and make their investors rich was the real business not serving their user. now they are even less attractive so who should buy them ?  for adobe they are totally unimportant and others are for sure not interested in buying old and bad maintained code ?  what is likely to happen is that they abandon the hardware business completly and scale down the software operation, oh, this is in fact already scaled down...  so I guess they hope for better times as we all do

     

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  • CSP

    hm after reading the latest c1 announcement, yes I´m late,  I wonder if denmark does not have laws to prevent profiteering ?   

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  • BeO

    CSP,

    very interesting annual report. I don't think they have financial problems as the loss seems mainly to be due to extraordinary one time effects like the merger with the parent companies and move from perpetual to subscription licenses etc. The 2019 figures cannot be compared with prev. years, as they state.

    They increased the number of staff by a fair amount and lowered the average staff cost. 

    The contribution of hardware vs. software is not disclosed so there is some room for speculation.

    They could pay dividends.

    My guess is that 2020 will be as good if not better, many new former LR users I believe, and the demerger P1 / C1. And then their CH and industrial business.

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    As a non-pro I hardly can justify the new yearly upgrade costs especially in years with low output, so maybe I will upgrade to v21 for the latest camera profiles and then run this version for the next years until operating system incompatibilities come up or I'll buy a new camera, the latter is not very likely as I am very satisfied with my Nikon Z 1st generation.

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  • CSP

    almost every company in the photo industry depend heavily on amateur user but this groupe is also the one which is far more open to move to other options than professional user. with mf cameras p1 had a real chance to broaden their market share but they did the opposite with totally insane pricing and are on the way to become irrelevant. and now they use the same playbook with c1 to please their greedy investor but in the case of hardware they had the software as backbone but now they have nothing and risk to lose a lot of customers and become seen as an ugly out of touch company. this branding in combination with the inability to innovate and response to user needs will break them and with the tiny user base compared to adobe it will happen sooner than later.  for me it very much looks like the have already entered a death spiral with the massive unjustified price increases which will make many amateur user rethink their choice especially when they realised that they left adobe to escape renting and now will find out that they are pushed to rent here again. It is also a sign of bad management to raise prices in less than two month, take activations and now add them again.   i have no sympathy for adobe but c1 is now worse in every aspect

     

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  • Claude CAUWE

    Unfortunately, my sentiment too.

    They want to play it "the Apple way", but ... they are not Apple to afford that behavior...

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  • CSP

    apple is in a different universe as a corporation

     "... reviewing our plans for future innovation"   haha.....

    hyperbole marketing and spamming will not be enough if c1 can not tell us now what plans they have after they already misled user with the pre-release marketing BS.  

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  • Claude CAUWE

    That was exactly the sense of my Tweet

    They reacted - but I am not sure they convinced anyone

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  • CSP

    what really astonishes me most is that they still do not see the need to improve customer relation and trust after two from problems overshadowed roll outs but keep fucking us.

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