Metal support with version 14.2
I updated to version 14.2 and notice the reference to Open CL is no longer referenced in the preferences. It just says that hardware acceleration is being used. According to version notes, Metal is supported on M1 Macs, but no mention is made about Intel Macs. Is Capture One now using Metal for Intel Macs or just for M1 Macs? If not on Intel Macs, what hardware acceleration is being used?
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I must not have read the notes correctly as other have addressed this is another post earlier today.
I do think it is a might sneaky to omit the Open CL acceleration reference in preferences, but still be using it for Intel Macs.
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Join the irate club ...
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Please add some traction to this Tweet:
https://twitter.com/1300Claude/status/1398170918950682624?s=20
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I am sure all they did with this update, is optimize the code for M1. So M1 can take advantage of Metal. For years I have been wanting Capture one to ditch Open GL for Metal but unfortunately it was never high on their priority.
I was curious if the Metal support would extend to Intel as well. Dang..
I have an M1 Mac mini and love the performance of Metal on an M1.
M1 Mac’s are amazing. Apple has relied on Intels empty promises for years and think the transition to M1 is great and things will only improve from here.
In my opinion Intel is done. AMD is ahead of Intel in many ways now and as hard as Intel will scratch, kick, scream, cry and beg to be relevant again. I have no regrets transiting to an M1 Mac and cant wait to see more new M1 Macs this year.
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For Christ's sake stop trolling this forum, Claude. We get it - you're not happy.
So raise it with Capture One instead of polluting a user-to-user forum with your incessant whining.
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For Christ’s sake, Keith, stop being all devoted to C1P.
This forum is here to exchange views - i give mine
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For Christ's sake Keith, GO STFU if all you can do is brown nose your PhaseOne overlords and give us all a break from your BS trolling!
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From C1 release notes
Apple Silicon (M1) and Metal support
Capture One 21 (14.2.0) is natively supported on Apple Silicon (M1) machines. Additionally, Hardware Acceleration on Apple Silicon (M1) machines will run through Metal. Hardware Acceleration on Windows and Intel-based Apple machines still runs through OpenCL.
For YEARS Capture One only did OpenCL on Mac’s.
Metal support came out Seven years ago. MacOS El Capitan.
7 years Capture One could have updated C1 to take advantage of Metal and they did not
Probably because they thought C1 worked well enough with OpenCL than to spend money to develop a Metal version. Since this is the base of the C1 render engine, I am not a developer but they may have thought the way there engine was developed that it would be too expensive to make the switch.
They also must not of had a high level of paying customer to complain about the performance of C1.
I have used C1 for 3 years now. I never had a problem with the performance with OpenCL. Not once did I thing to myself, I am going to switch back to LightRoom.
With the new version supporting M1 and the user of Metal on M1, the updating the code from Intel to universal to switch from OpenCL to Metal did not take them an an extreme amount of time and again I am not a developer, but since M1 is the future of Mac, whether it was easier or harder, They took the transition of the code for C1 to make it universal serious and have done an excellent job.
Now that I have an M1 Mac. I do see some improvement from my old Intel Mac to the new M1 mini. But the speed difference is not earth shattering. As Apple releases better Apple silicon chips, thats when we will probably see much bigger improvement. With a better Apple silicon chip with 4-8x more GPU cores, it may be insane fast.
but right now, the Apple silicon chips do a heck of a job giving intel chips a run for their money. I watched a show on Amazon called upload, where a lot of well known companies were owned by new companies and Intel, in this show is owned by Oscar Meyer. So its now called Oscar Meyer Intel.
This is all Intels fault. They dragged their feet in developing better silicon, thinking there was no way anyone can knock them off the top. But you know. In 10 years. Intel may be owned by Oscar Meyer and their big cpu development may be to make a better hot dog cooker.
Capture One on Intel Macs still use Open CL. Intel Macs will probably ALWAYS use Open CL.
Apple with the release of MacOS Mojave depreciated OpenCL. Support will be maintained (for now) but not updated.
So that alone is enough of a reason to not add OpenCL support.
So, I am really sorry for the bad news Intel Mac users. OpenCL for Capture One is here to stay.
They had 7 years since Metal support to make the change, they didnt, why? Who really knows. But if you are this upset about no Metal support for Capture one Intel edition, there is Adobe LightRoom, I know Adobe would love to have your money.
If I did not have an M1 Mac, would I be upset that it does not support Metal. Yes, but again OpenCL has been depreciated by Apple. But Capture One as is, Intel with Open CL. Was great enough for me to switch from Lightroom, and this would not make me switch back.
Instead of complaining I would myself start saving up money to buy an M1 Mac.
M1 Mac Mini, 256gb and 8gb ram is $699 and places are doing discounts on them now. Thats what I have and for photo editing, using an external drive for storage, is a heck of a deal and blows away the Intel Mac Mini that I would. And on top of that. I got more money for my Intel Mac Mini when I sold it than I paid for my M1 Mac mini. This was when the M1 first came out and that may not be so much the case now.
Good luck on using Capture One on Intel. Again I think its still an amazing program and sorry but again OpenCL is depreciated by Apple and sad to say, there will not be Metal support for these Macs.
Now if you try to accuse me of being a troll or attack me, I will take screen shots and report whoever does that to Capture One. As it is already, you should be reported for some of the things you have said already.
Edison Wrzosek
Keith R
Claude CAUWE
This goes to you three. I dont work for Capture One, I am just a customer and this is a professional company and a profession support forum and attacks like this are disgusting and should not be tolerated here, or on any companies forum.
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I am just a customer and this is a professional company and a profession support forum
This is most certainly not a profession support forum. Or a professional support forum if that is what you meant. It is a Capture One USER forum. It is USERS talking to other USERS.
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Jeff Talbert,
You can go ahead and screenshot all you want, I don't give a damn.
Whilst you make valid points, no denying that, your solution is for owners of Intel Mac's to start saving up for an M1??? Are you SERIOUS??? Did it ever occur to you that many of us have bought brand-new Intel Mac's within the last 2 years (like myself) to just a few months and even WEEKS, and that they expect to use these machines for YEARS, as they don't come cheap, yet here you come, the almighty defender of Capture One, and tell these Intel Mac owners, oh too bad, you wasted your money cause Capture One doesn't care about you anymore and since you're dumb go spend some more because of them?
Wow, just WOW!
MANY other software vendors, from major companies like Adobe, or Indie design houses like Seriff (who make Affinity Photo), were able to port the macOS versions of their applications early on (some longer than others, looking at you Adobe), to support Metal v1 and later v2, with GREAT success, whilst continuing to maintain their Windows binaries on stacks like DirectX and Vulcan with no issue, AND continue to support their users on the Intel Mac platform, as they rightfully should, as even by Apple's own admission, the x86 Mac's are here for a while to come, and even when the axe falls on them, they will still be supported for YEARS, which is good because hey, they don't come cheap!
I find most of what you said defensive and utterly pretentious in support of a company whose actions have been indefensible for a while now. Capture One has continued for the last 2 years to lag WAY behind their chief competitor Lightroom, has suffered from SERIOUS quality control issues in the code they release, been very poor at communication, delivered half-baked "new features" that lag behind said competitor(s), and have been steadily increasing their prices.
I switched to Capture One back in v12 because they were ahead of the curve of Lightroom in many ways, not the least of which was PERFORMANCE, whose advantage has now vanished.
And don't put me or anyone else in the same boat as Keith R, that douche has been a straight-up troll here for a LONG time, and he should be the one who get's banned, as he brown noses that MBA who leads Capture One as if his life depends on it.
Oh, and BTW, as a single comical (not really) example (out of many other possibilities), if Capture One is such a "professional company", why can't said company even release a comprehensive lens correction library? Have you compared them to even AFFINITY PHOTO in their RAW processor, let alone Adobe's, to how many MAINSTREAM and POPULAR lenses are missing in C1P??? It's a joke!
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Edison,
*I* Myself had bought a new Mac Mini about 2 years ago. I have been using C1 since version 9 or 10.
I am not saying your wrong with what your saying. But for people to say STFU is wrong. If you you cant express your view without telling someone to shut up. Then thats a problem.
You are 100000% right. Capture One had WAY WAY WAY ample time to update to Metal. For the past few versions, the first thing I would look for in the release notes, was if it had Metal support, and they did not.
But each year, I renewed my subscription because.
I think for editing Capture One does a better job than Lightroom.
Lightroom has many more filters and add-ins and can do way more than Capture One. But for my needs, what I do for photography, I think Capture One does a better job in many ways than Lightroom.
There are feature Lightroom had that Capture One didnt and these were features that I really missed that I could get the same affect by using a few others tools to get close to the same result. But I liked C1 overall so much more that I decided to stick to C1.
This year, they finally came out with DEHAZE. This is a feature LR had for YEARS and C1 was slow on adding their own version.
Early on, transiting to C1 was a nightmare and almost gave up. Their catalog engine was HORRIBLE and its still bad. Since C1 9 or 10 to the current version, they really have not done much if anything to the cataloging. Importing images, thumbnails would not show up, and yes I posted on theses forums complaining about how horrible the catalog feature is, I opened support tickets and C1 really did nothing to help.
From a support perspective C1 is HORRIBLE.
Keith R started the attack on you calling you a troll. What you said, what you were complying about is a very serious and very legit issue with C1.
So I am not trying to say your wrong. Everyone on here should talk like what most of us who have C1 are… Professionals.
Your totally right, other photo editing companies made the switch to Metal when C1 did not. You are again, TOTALLY right.
Each year I question what really do they do with updates that are enough of an update to validate the cost of an annual subscription.
C1 adds a little here, a little there, but I have not seen them really add new features or fix a lot of thing that people complain about in the forums.
Also this forum we are on now, MOST companies have employees monitor these forums and answer questions and offer support. C1 Does not, and that is so wrong and frustrating.
Your right as well about the lens correction library. Its horrible.
As for Keith R, for him attacking you, was wrong. But does that mean you need to stoop down to his level? No. Let a person that you feel is a troll, be a troll and ignore it. Because people that are trolls post things such as that to try to get ruffle others feathers and I would hate to see anyone get banned for saying bad things to anyone, even in retaliation, because TOS are TOS. And if ANYONE violates the TOS, by saying words that should not be said, or attacking a person attacking you. companies do not care who is right or wrong. TOS violations are just that, TOS Violations.
I was not saying I would take screenshots to be mean or anything,
So Edison and others show are unhappy that C1 never migrated to Metal, its a valid compliant, you have every right to complain about it.
With what I said in my post, with OpenCL being depreciated and no longer supported by Apple, which happened a year or more before Apple announced the M1, who knows if they would have ever made the switch. They probably had a version in house that they were working on the transition, and once Apple announce the M1 they made the switch, they unfortunately only made Metal support for M1 chips.
So with what I said about OpenCL being depreciated and no longer supported, in reality that validates your complaint. There should be a way for them to code C1 to be Universal that would allow Metal to work on Intel Macs.
So complain away, you have a valid complaint. I would send them a support ticket to see if Metal support will be coming to Intel in the future. See what they say.
The answer probably will be what every company says… We do not talk about unannounced features.
So I am sorry you took offense to my post, Your points and complaints are valid, just dont attack back to people that are trolls, it will do no good, just get you upset and could get you banned.
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This is made by Phase One, which is a camera manufacturer, expensive cameras to boot. I for a long time have thought Phase One has not given enough resources to C1 to make improvements to keep C1 relevant. Two examples is never Metal support for Intel, and adding features that other photo editors have, such as DEHAZE, which they FINALLY implemented.
They announced plug in support, 1 or 2 years ago. Go to the plug in page to see what plugins are available and they are pretty much the same as they were when plug in support was first announced.
Why? They dont or have not done a good job trying to get companies that make plugins for other photos apps to make the plugins for C1 as well. And that is horrible. Why give add in support if there really are no add-ins to add :-)
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most c1 user overrate the importance of this software, it is the same as some leica user don't understand why not every pro is using it as they are convinced it is the best system in the world. so it was also very clear from the beginning that c1 plugin support would not attract much developer to build software for a niche. on the other side https://cascable.se now added support for p1 remote shooting something you might think p1 should have accomplished long ago for their overpriced system. what both observations show is that they have no clear vision of future development and this is very different to adobe. they add erratic "new" or just renamed features without a clear understandable plan. so it is also not a big surprise they ignored metal.
for me it is totally ridicolous that we have even a discussion about something logical as adding metal support but c1 is also the only software I'm aware of where clowns defend actions against the interest of user.
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But you are still here CSP.
What motivates you to stay interested?
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SFA ...and why are you constantly trolling the Mac forum ?
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"Constantly" CSP?
Really?
As for trolling the Mac Forum, whatever that means, how so?
I'm simply more fascinated than I probably should be to better understand why you take the time to come and write criticisms of Capture One (And Phase One) at a level that seems obsessively negative.
What does it do for you?
Most people writing as you do and suggesting there are better options available would have made their point and moved on to those better options, abandoning all interest in this forum and these threads.
Hence my question to you.
I'll rephrase it a little.
What is it about Capture One that you find difficult to give up?
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SFA
Do you have a problem with facts when they interfere with you admiration of c1 or did I write something untrue in my last post which seem to have triggered you ?
maybe you can explain with you great wisdom why the iq4 released almost 3 years ago has wifi build in but p1 never offered an app for it when you don't agree with my judgment ? but more important can you explain why a windows user as I understand from your postings has some much interest in metal which is Mac OS only ?0 -
You’re deflecting answering a legitimate question, CSP. If I were this unhappy, I’d have moved on without looking back. Did so when I moved on from Lr. No use in visiting the Lr forums anymore, right?
So are you still using C1? If so, it’s probably not as bad as suggested or Lr or any other alternatives are less stellar than promoted. And if you’re still using it: why? Just curious. I’m not trying to demean you or anyone else in any way.
On another note, I’d suggest everyone stops calling people with different opinions ‘trolls’. It’s not helpful and mostly not accurate either.
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And if you’re still using it: why? Just curious. I’m not trying to demean you or anyone else in any way.
Well, as far as I am concerned, I keep on using it because they used to be good and promising - until some years ago.
And hence, I don't want to redo all the edits of my xx thousands pictures because I would be opting out of C1.
We're a bit hostages here...2 -
Switching is a major pain in the ass indeed. I know from experience.
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Emile, yes I´m still using c1 for tethered shooting and as a file browser for hundreds of old projects. you will also find no posting where I said c1 is in general a bad software btw ( I even made workshops in the past promoting it ..) but I never used just one raw converter so I´m very aware of differences. c1 is a good software but horrible managed.
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Cool. I get your point.
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