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from a productivity  standpoint the new magic brush falls short, too much trial and error,  the paul reiffer video demonstrates this unintentionally rather clear.  the old way which is still available is not optimal either but offers fine tuning and so saves not only time but allows to create a very precise mask. the tool does unfortunatly also not look for borders so even with clear defined edges like in architecture or product images you get far too much spill  you than have to correct later manually.  but not being able to at least deselect colors is a big failure, this  should have been implemented from the beginning.

overall i have the feeling that adding somethings similar to the luminance mask tool but for selected colors would have been the much better and more flexible option but a "magic brush" is probably seen as easier to comprehend for user with little knowledge in image editing or beginners and as the new paradigm seems to please this type of user first  it is no wonder they did not implement the more sophisticated and complex approach. 
 
( when using the shortcut for display mask, the mask icon is not updated accordingly in the viewer frame ) 
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    I don't see this at all. I've been using the Magic Brush and once you understand how it works, it's really nice. The time I spend creating masks is now much less and the masks are better—but only if you understand the tool. I also find that, like with other masking tools, Magic Brush works much better with a tablet/pen than with  mouse.

    You can control the color range brushed in to some extent with the Tolerance slider. Also in the brush's options is the Ignore Edges checkbox. For architecture, I'd make sure it's NOT checked.

    I don't have the display mask issue you mention. I often toggle the mask visibility with the M key and always keep the mask visible while drawing, and both capabilities work fine on all of my machines. I'm using Intel machines and behavior on Apple Silicon may be different.

    I still use Luma Range masking, create masks with the Advanced Color Editor's Color Picker, and so on, but the Magic Brush often gets me a very good mask more quickly. Sometimes I need to modify Magic Brush masks with the brush or erase tools, but that's quicker and easier than trying to draw complex masks by hand.

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  • BeO
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    Abbott, but a Color Range 'mask modifier' which can be changed at any time, like the Luma Range, would be a really great feature, no? For me it would, especially for a series of images...

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    BeO, I agree. You could send a feature request to Capture One and maybe they'll consider it. Several feature suggestions have come up during David Grover's webinars and he's said things like "that's a good idea", and "that would be a good thing to add", but I can't think of a single one that's been added. You never can tell, though, and it can't hurt to try.

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    abbott,

    from my tests even with tolerance set to 1 it selects far too much for my taste, maybe because it takes luminance into account so if you get useable results depends very much on the image content.  trial and error is also a rather outdated concept today, no ?  even a simple ps panel like luminenza offers you some control after the initial selection. 

    the luminance mask tool in c1 is already very good so adding a color mask option would have been a logical step as it would not have limited the applicability to the brush tool only. it would have been useable with all, from gradients to the auto mask brush, this is what I would call a professional approach. it could also be used to mimic the function of dxo / viveza control points.  a missed chance in my view and another point where adobe is now superior and preferable for commercial work offering greater flexibility.

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  • BeO
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    Abbott,

    I upvoted these:

    https://support.captureone.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360013694897-New-Color-Range-feature-along-with-Luma-Range-for-color-based-non-destructive-layer-mask 

    https://support.captureone.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360009628278-Color-masking 

    https://support.captureone.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360014477578-color-range-restriction-to-masks?page=1#community_comment_4404717699729 

    cheers

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