problems after importing aperture catalog
I have a Retina late-2015 iMac, 24GB RAM, Mojave 10.14.6.
I imported an aperture catalog with 250.000 pictures. First of all, it took me 4 takes to be able to import it, 3 times the import crashed after 120.000 pictures. It took about 20 hours to import.
But that's ok, a lot of information needs to be imported and changed.
But now Capture One can't open that catalog. It will take hours to read the catalog, after reading about 3/4 than just presents a screen where I can chose a catalog. But it won't read it's owen catalog.
So I just tried to trick CO: open a small catalog, and import it's owen catalog.
No luck. It's taking ages to read, it slows down my Mac so much that I can't do anything else.
Anybody else have this problem?
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Once I also attempted to import an Aperture catalog with maybe 1/5 of the quantity of yours. CO has such a disappointing DAM part that I could not see the point in wasting more time and energy in this. Intelligent folders made a big part of my catalog - they are becoming "normal" albums, pointless to me. And while I can click on a folder of the catalog and get an overview of the pictures in it, CO's group are not capable do so. GPS tracks in CO? Hahaha. Duplicating intelligent folders to edit their conditions? Next laugh. Selecting a couple of albums to move them into another project? Next laugh, only one by one possible. CO can't do so essential things like jumping to the end or start of an album name by using ⌘+▶︎ or ◀︎? My browser does this better. For all of that and many more reasons I keep my old 27" iMac from 2010 to be able to run Aperture.
I don't want to become reminded each time I'm starting CO of what we lost with Aperture. CO can do other things better than AA ever could, but as a DAM ist sucks big time. Are you sure you want to go on this adventure? Next question: CO likes to crash after the RAM runs out. On the 2020 iMac with 32 GB RAM and 10.15.7 I'm still facing crashes after importing and (batch)-editing digitalized negatives.
Now your problem: Maybe you need to split the massive 250.000 images catalog of Aperture first in Aperture and make smaller batches? And later import these 4 or 5 CO catalogs into a single one? No, I have no idea how to automatically do this. I guess it's manual work. Or don't you have a machine Aperture is running on anymore?
I think CO is a very good RAW converter – and a very poor DAM. But even after 4 years I found nothing comparable to AA, apparently this kind of stuff is not lucrative enough.
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Thank you for your extensive answer.
The main problem with Aperture is that is does not support HIEC-file format. I do have an older machine just for running Aperture, but not being able to import HIEC is the only reason I am looking for another application. I tried to import pictures into Apple's Fotos and than exporting them as JPEG in the highest quality, but that is quite cumbersome to do and not exactly good for the picture quality.
As you mentioned, I could split it into 5 or so catalogs, but the nice thing about having all of them in 1 catalog is that I can search ALL pictures for a common denominator. I would have to make a choice how to split the AA catalog, and even then I always would have troubles to find pictures. If CO would be able to load the catalog fast that would be a help already. But I believe that loading a CO catalog even when smaller will take quite some time (times 5), and I don't know how fast CO is with it's search-function. So that's not a really feasible option as well.
I am looking for a DAM witch can handle my amount of pictures and has slim folders of any kind. And not to forget: I like my pictures on MY harddrive, not in the cloud. I mean, I understand why it's done: once you have all your pictures in the suppliers cloud it's nearly impossible to switch to another supplier.
Apple Foto's has slim folders or albums but it is also very, very, very, very slow even with half the pictures. I imported like 110.000 pictures in Fotos and god it's slowing down, coming down to nearly a halt. It's really not useful at all. Doing some 200, 300 pictures will take about 1 hour or so to proces.
I tried Picktorial since it got some good reviews. It seems to be fast and has slim folders or albums. But here's the thing: I purchased the full version after using the trial one, I paid, I was sent to a download page, downloaded what I assumed to be a full version. But - no, it was not, it was still the trial version. Picktorial does not respond to mails as how I could acquire the full version (which is the only way to contact them since according to their site "We don't offer phone support but we do provide exceptional support via email". Well, I will contact PayPal to cancel my subscription.
I am even prepared to switch to Windows but the options there are also not so great, so I am stuck in a limbo. Thanks Apple, for your stupid choice. You should have at least made Fotos be able to handle really huge amount of pictures as well as Aperture could.
Does anyone have experiences with Windows SW that will do the simple task of managing 200.000+ photos, with smart albums, some basic but good enough editing and of course an acceptable search speed? I do not need Photoshop or so for editing features. I also do not need face-recognition or such. Something like Apple Fotos but faster.
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On Windows, Irfan View is quite a name. It's free to try. Adobe Bridge or Lightroom were no choice for me as I don't like subscription models for software and Adobe's massive spreading all over the place when installing their software I also don't appreciate. I tried PhotoMechanic and a couple of other apps so poorly functioning I already forgot their names.
Except the HEIC-files, all what you say sounds all too familiar to me. But searching in CO?? Did you try their "search"? You can't search for album/group/project names by just putting a few search characters into a search field. It's impossible to find out in which projects or albums a certain picture is used.
I was hoping Affinity would come out with something good. Or RAW power. At the moment a little hope remains that a Welsh company which came out with "Photo Statistica" will take the challenge.
A major problem for all other apps: Their devs want to make money on (preferably) Windows and Mac, and since Windows has less powerful search options than Mac OS no one actually benefits from Mac's better way to find files and folders.
I totally get that keeping a RAW engine with lens profiles and more up to date and keeping a DAM running on multiple OSs is a challenge maybe to big for a company like Capture One is. They are depending on what Apple and Microsoft can provide. At the time I used Aperture I took it for granted how a fluently working DAM should operate. Apparently they are still light years ahead of what other companies can deliver today.
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Hello,
about the search possibilities: if a program supports face recognition and keywords and such then I expect it to be able to search for those. And of course if I'm looking for a file that is placed in multiple folders, smart or not, the searchresult should show all locations, like Excel for example.
I checked Irfan View and Photo statistica. The former is a simple editor, sort of, the later is an app to display EXIF data. So, alas, no luck with those.
Now I need to just get a hold of a laptop or such with Windows. Maybe I can find something suitable there. From what I read unfortunately IF there is a program that can do somehow what I want it to do they become sluggish with 10.000+ files, or so.
So I'll wish myself luck in finding a program that will suit my needs. If I ever find something I will post it here.
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The Welsh company behind "Photo Statistica" has something like Aperture in mind. Photo Statistica was just a first step, but will remain an independent app.
I still suspect 24 GB of RAM might be not enough for a 2.5 – 3 TB Aperture catalog to import into CO. That number is guesswork, of course. If my Aperture main library is 1.36 TB and contains around 40k RAWs, 3 TB might be guessed a bit small. After migrating the catalog to Photos, it became 1.49 TB without adding a single photo... I don't think CO is made for this kind of big catalogs.
And yes, Irfan View is not a DAM, but a rather speedy Viewer. Of Lightroom and Aperture as old competition Aperture didn't survive although dear Apple is drowning in money. I still don't get why Apple abandoned Aperture in favor of that crappy smartphone picture browser they called Photos.
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I checked: my Aperture-library is around 850GB, the CO-catalog derived is about 2.5GB. And there I foolishly thought that 24GB should be enough to handle it. I mean, Aperture just runs fine on an older machine with less memory and a slower chip.
About Apple-logic: they abandoned iMovie as well, the older version that is. A fine piece of software, easy to use and made incredible films possible for advanced home-user, and semi-proffesionals. But 'the public wants something easier because of Youtube and such'.
And by abandoning they can drown in even more money /sarasm
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