C1/21 bringt die Sitzungen durcheinander! / C1/21 messes up the sessions!
Ich habe am 2.September das Update Nr. 14.3.1 aufgespielt.
Bei mir ist jede Sitzung in einem eigenem Ordner.
Nachdem ich heute bei etwa 300 Fotos die Matatags vervollständigt habe, gibt es keine Zuordnung zwischen der einzelnen Sitzungen (.cosessiondb).
Den einer Sitzung zugeordneten Fotos werden Fotos aus ganz anderen anderen Sitzungen zugeordnet.
Hatte schon jemand von diesem Problem gehört und konnte es lösen?
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I have installed the update No. 14.3.1 on 2.September.
For me, each session is in its own folder.
After completing the matatags on about 300 photos today, there is no mapping between each session (.cosessiondb).
Photos from completely different sessions are assigned to the photos assigned to one session.
Has anyone heard of this problem and been able to resolve it?
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Hi Helmut,
How do you notice, where do you see they are assigned? Assigned to what?
Do you maybe mean that you have a Session Favorite or album in a Session db which does not belong there but which you created in a different Session db instead?
If that is not the case then read further ...
A session can see images that are (1) located in one of the four Session Folders (Capture,...,Output), (2) images which are located in a folder which a Session Favorite is pointing to, (3) images which you have drag&dropped from an external application to a Session Album, or (4) images which you have visited via the System Folders in the lib tool, but the latter is only temporary whilst you have a folder in the folder tree selected.
So, do you see the respective images in one of the four items (im which?), or in the smart album "All Images" (which shows all images from the first 3 possibilities)?0 -
Translation from German with DeepL:
Photos from completely different sessions are assigned to the photos assigned to a session.
In a session with about 50 photos, when deleting the old session with all subfolders and new session with new name, any new photos are imported. In the end, over 600 photos are imported into the original folder with 50 photos.0 -
Helmut,
Where are the images stored in the folder structure at the Operating System level?
If, for example, you have a master folder Called "Photos" and you have subfolders for each session under "Photos" but you then "import" from the "Photos" folder and tell C1 to "Include Sub-folders" you might see what you have described.
This is just one example of what COULD happen. It may not be exactly what you are doing.
Sessions are very much under the control of the user's decisions on an Import Process where an Import is used and on a "Favourites" basis alone if IMport has not been used.
To be able to assess why you are experiencing what you are seeing is likely to need knowledge of that storage structure.
If you want to seek direct support from Capture One Technical Support use the "Submit a request" function of the Community Pages to create a Support Case.
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Yes of course I have a folder with photos and there are the various subfolders (such as "Maria" "Horses" "Racing"...) in each of which is only one session. These subfolders are named after the content.
It can happen that in this subfolder (Maria...) there are more sessions with reference to the main subfolder.
It is interesting that I have cleaned a folder with 17 photos completely from C1 and also renamed the photos. There was no reference to the previous folder structure for me.
Then I created a new session, (from folder x ) without including subfolders. After the import was complete, there were 467 photos where only 17 should be.
Interesting?
I have been using C1 for many years (vers. 4?) but something like this is new to me!!!0 -
I am trying to understand...
Yes of course I have a folder with photos and there are the various subfolders (such as "Maria" "Horses" "Racing"...) in each of which is only one session. These subfolders are named after the content.
ok, each sub folder has at maximum 1 session.
It can happen that in this subfolder (Maria...) there are more sessions with reference to the main subfolder.You just said there is only one session in each subfolder.
Second, what is a reference to the main subfolder folder, and what is the main subfolder?
It is interesting that I have cleaned a folder with 17 photos completely from C1 and also renamed the photos. There was no reference to the previous folder structure for me.what did you do the "clean a folder from C1"?
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Ok in detail again:
HD> directory "Photos"> subdirectory "Architecture" with session>. This is normal !
If I go the example further it could be that I have in this folder "Architecture"! further subdirectories example: Berlin, London, Prague...
These are Imported in the folder "Architecture" but filed in further subdirectories by city to find a photo faster.
Info:
Everything has only one session "Architecture"!In one case with me I have Advent photos with 17 pcs. because there are few photos and the procedure is faster than with a folder with more photos. After changing the name from Advent to Advent_Test and changing the name of all photos in this folder also to Advent_Test I had after a new import of these 17 photos 647 imported photos in the browser history. Under /...Capture - I can not find any photo.
Interesting - or?
I also communicated to C1 support, but have not yet received a response!0 -
Hi Helmut,
I think I got your normal workflow now.
I see two possibilites: Either you did something "wrong" (=which has resulted in something different than you expect), or the software has a defect (or both).
The fact that you see the 17 photos (in addition to the other 630) in "browser history" *) but you expect them in the Capture Folder, and you don't see them there, leads me to believe that in your import settings you have chosen a different Destination for some special import (now or in the past), and then you forgot. This might have been the case with other 630 photos earlier?
*) I use your wording though I only can speculate that you mean the smart album "All Images" because a session does not have a "recent imports"
This is just a guess though. But maybe indeed the new C1 version has a defect.
I don't have any other idea, and it is hard to follow strange behavior even when sitting in front of the computer, let alone by only reading descriptions in the forum.
Cheers
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Helmut,
I cannot be sure but what you have described sounds very much like how my images and sessions ended up after a year of using Capture One (Versions 5/6) making assumptions about working with sessions (because it was very similar to my previously favoured software) without paying enough attention to what was going on compared to what I was doing and how I expected it to look.
Things started to get a little confused - partly because I ended up with session definition files in subfolders of other sessions - sometimes in sub-sessions of themselves. That was really confusing.
I took some paces back and studied what the Session system was intended to do, found the sources of "flexibility" and re-thought my processes. One key requirement, for ease of understanding what is going on, is to completely avoid nested sessions. Indeed there turned out to be no sensible requirement for nested sessions whether intentional or accidental.
I think you probably need to trace all of the parent and child folder relationships you have on your system at, firstly, the OS level. And once that is clear and understood, look at the sessions - especially the "favourites" folders - to see whether anything unusually complex has evolved there.
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