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Identify tools which have been used/changed

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  • Official comment
    Mathieu B
    Product Manager

    Hi everyone, 
    Thank you for the suggestion - this is not something we are currently working on.

    This does not mean this is a bad suggestion or that it will never be adressed, but in an effort of transparency we want you to know that we are not currently allocating resources to solving this issue.

    We will revisit the status of this thread if and when it changes.

  • Tom Rockwell

    This is a great idea. For example, I often find it difficult to know if I've used the basic color editor. 

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  • Class A

    See also bullet item "3." of my "Image Edit History" feature request.

    My point is not that the "Identify tools..." request does not make sense on its own; I just want to point out that the suggested functionality could be obtained as a byproduct of another request that has already received substantial report.

    I don't want to detract from the "Identify tools..." request at all, please ignore, if this is not helpful.

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  • SFA

    Agreed.

    I seem to recall this subject being around for a while.

    As a very minimum offering, there could ba a pop-up window with a list of tools used much as is available for Styles. Indeed, since a layer can be saved to a Style I would guess it would be easy enough to adopt part of the code for making the style and simply reporting the tools to an onscreen pop-up.

    Better would be to list the tools (some part of the copy to Clipboard code perhaps?), offer an expanded view with settings values on demand and  - better still, provide a dynamic "Tool Group" window for the layer that gathers all of the active tools into a virtual "tab" for the duration of the enquiry. So a form of floating tool grouping automation.

    Basically all adaptations of functionality that already exists  - or seems to exist.

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  • BeO
    Top Commenter

    Yes I remember both of you wanted a Mercedes whereas I need a bycicle. Nothing wrong with the Mercedes except that for my purpose it is not handy enough and too costly.

    I cannot make efficient use of any type of overview which I either have to click somewhere to get there or have it floating around and occupying screen real estate.

    As Tom noted, when I am in or nearby the Advanced color editor I often click on the Skin Tone to see if I have adjusted there or vice versa (same would be true for the basic color editor if I would use it). If the color editor is collapsed I have to open it and click through the tabs. And the list goes on, e.g. Curves.

    My bycicle is not competing with your Mercedes. In this very request I want a simple and efficient "mark" at the tool itself, like manual pen markings on book pages, not like the table of contents or an index which I have to find first and then examine and which steals my concentration and brings me out of my editing flow. It is a different use case.

    (Edited for typos only)

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  • BeO
    Top Commenter

    C1, do you read this?

    THanks.

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  • BeO
    Top Commenter

    At least: As long as it is not officilly commented yet it can receive comments and upvotes which maybe will be transferred to their internal system... (?)

     

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  • BeO
    Top Commenter

    I see Maryna from C1 is hunting for feature requests today so I bump this up.

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  • BeO
    Top Commenter

    This has 13 votes, which is not bad for a feature request, but not enough to get picked up?

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  • Propheticus

    Agree that this would be pretty handy. A mock-up of what that could look like:

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  • BeO
    Top Commenter

    Thanks for the mockup.

    Yes, we would want some design which is clearly distiguishable from non-adjusted tools even in collapsed state but unobtrusive at the same time.

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  • Class A

    I vote for making any visual indicators optional. There should be a keyboard shortcut for toggling the visualisation of modified parameters, since an argument can be made that the indicators can be a distraction when they are not needed.

    C1's UI does well in terms of not distracting from the image and I think anything that could create visual unevenness in one's periphery, should be optional so that it only vies for attention when it is supposed to.

    I also submit that a highlighting approach is not ideal for the brief of pointing out edits that were made since in general, in order to round up all changes, one would have to hunt through multiple tool tabs, and scroll through multiple tool panels. 

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  • BeO
    Top Commenter

    I agree with the configuration part.

    For your last point I want to mention that a visual indicator at the tool level (and maybe at the tool tab level in addition) is my preferred choice over any kind of overview in a separate window or alike (as SFA suggested). These two things support different types of workflow.

    Thanks,
    BeO

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  • Ian Wilson
    Moderator
    Top Commenter

    I think I agree with SFA that a separate window or panel or something of the kind would be good. If you have to go through all of the tool tabs to see which tools have been adjusted, it is not much of a time saver. 

    Ian

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  • Propheticus

    While I understand the argument against distraction. One option -a dynamic tool tab or floating list which fills itself with all used tools for a photo or layer- does not exclude the other -subtle hints throughout the UI as to which tools were changed from their default-.

    A more subtle way than my mock-up could be greying/dimming of values left at default and a lighter grey for altered values. 
    Which I now see is the way LR does it.

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  • Andreas

    Great ideas!  
    Windows, panel, Filter that shows only changes,  a log, or a mouse over... just any easy way to show applied settings is fine with me.
    I once recommended a mouse over as like with Styles here: 

    https://support.captureone.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/4713304938013-View-applied-layer-settings

    I sometimes save a layer as a Style to see the settings applies in the layer.

    Andi

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  • BeO
    Top Commenter

    Ian,

    Not sure but I think I argued already somewhere that the proposed overview window is a different use case. It i an overview, whereas I am missing a tool-based indicator as I am browsing through the tools/tool tabs.

    E.g. Let's say I want to change some color so I go to my color tool tab and just before I select the Advanced Color Editor I want that the Color Balance tool pops into my eyes, if I have changed it already in the past. I then would go to the Color Balance tool and either refine it there or reset it if today I think the ACE would be the better tool for this. (pops to me with some subtlety, of course, but the timing is important, no action needed to see this, it just tells me. And I don't bother all changes like crop, NR, sharpening etc, just color.

    No need to open a separate window, because I don't even want to see a full blown overview of all changes. Such an overview fosters (and needs) a different kind of "workflow", and I don't say it has no value, it is just not my ask here.

    Same problem with Andi's idea, it does not fit to my requirement.

    Thanks for the discussion anyways, but also thanks for understanding this difference.
    BeO

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  • BeO
    Top Commenter

    DXO has a toggle to show only the tools which are enabled.

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  • BeO
    Top Commenter

    I updated the original post to meet the new feature request format.

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  • Boris Tomsic

    YES PLEASE! Thank you BeO! I've been meaning to make this request for a long time so I'm glad so many people are already onto it, so you've got my vote.
    Propheticus's mock-up is great but It would be good to  also identify any Tool Tabs  which have tools within them adjusted, so thus a better color might be, say, green, because orange is already used indicate anything that is selected.
    It is particularly useful to have the  tabs in the Levels and Color Editor/Balance tools identified  as such instead of having to click through all the tabs to check which and if they've been adjusted. This is all very time consuming, distracting and inefficient having to keep going back and checking this to see where you are up to.
    It also frustrating trying to work out why certain adjustments are not giving you the result you expect because you've adjusted another tool that you may not often use or in another tab and have forgotten about it.

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  • BeO
    Top Commenter

    Thank you Boris, I added parts of your description to the request.

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  • BeO
    Top Commenter

    Matthias B

    Will you actually re-consider / revisit such feature requests which are "currently not planned" on a regular basis or has this turned now into a factual fire-and forget request?

    Thanks
    BeO

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  • Mathieu B
    Product Manager

    BeO this is not fire and forget, we have changed the status to give you more visibility on what is actually in the works.

    Everything in this forum that is not yet implemented is a potential investment that we can make in the future.

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  • Boris Tomsic

    You're welcome BeO , glad I can make a valuable contribution.
    I already intended to come back to make one further edit to my post about something I later realised I omitted, so you may also want to do the same in your post:
    that is regarding identifying adjustments to tabs also in the  Levels  tool, like with the Color Editor/Balance

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  • BeO
    Top Commenter

    Good point, thanks, I've added it.

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  • BeO
    Top Commenter

    Mathieu-B

    BeO this is not fire and forget, we have changed the status to give you more visibility on what is actually in the works.

    Everything in this forum that is not yet implemented is a potential investment that we can make in the future.

    I asked for this feature for the desktop version years ago, but no to avail.I just get to know that this feature exists in the mobile app, so you know the value of this feature, as do the other 19 voters...

    If you ask me you can even fire and forget the mobile app, if you need more capacity for the core product.

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  • BeO
    Top Commenter

    You can even implement this feature as an on/off switch for the tool, then you have two features for the effort of one for marketing purposes.

    Look at DXO, you can switch on/off each tool (yes I know about Alt+reset in C1, I like it but it is not the same), the active tools are orange whereas the inactive tools are grey, and you can even hide/unhide all unused tools with just one click.

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  • Mathieu B
    Product Manager

    Hi BeO

    We are not disputing the value of this feature. We are also well aware of our competition, what they do and how. 

    The current status for this request just signifies that this is not one of our top priorities at the moment. This could change.

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  • BeO
    Top Commenter

    Hi Mathieu-B,

    Thanks. Is there a chance that you communicate with your user base what your top priorities are, or a kind of a roadmap. It surely can foster discussions and debates with your user base, but bottom line, discussions with your user base should be a fruitful exercise. Unless of course your user base is the weakest stakeholder in that game.

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  • Mathieu B
    Product Manager

    The statuses on this forum can give a good indication of our current priorities, we try to keep them up to date.

    The user base is our strongest stakeholder and as always been - we have many different ways of interacting with our current and potential users, this forum being one of them.

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