scroll bar toggle is practically invisible...
...until I manage to resolve the ''Where's Wally?'' puzzle (sometimes by accident) but never easily as it's a very slightly lighter grey on a dark grey narrow scroll bar. Only then am I 'rewarded', at the programmers' whim, by it being shown in a visible vibrant orange.
I found the 'invisible' slider/dragging toggle so why do the programmers reward that activity by THEN changing the toggle node colour to something that is actually EASILY visible?
The design logic [sic] is perverse. Surely a WORKING environment would prefer to use an easily visible colour (orange) - in order to help find the toggle. Only THEN change it to something largely invisible whilst actually dragging it around? Not the existing way around.
I need to actually use C1. I don't have the luxury of being a programmer able to inflict this sort of Designer Style Over Substance on us mere ancient humans! Please make it real.
Was really tempted to write this plea in a slightly lighter grey text on an otherwise grey back ground just to emphasize my point's validity. Wisely, the programmers of this site have not included such (dis)functionality:-)
NB: a similar request has been ignored for a year
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I'm actually glad the scroll bar does not stay orange - I would not want a bright orange slider right next to the image I'm editing. I'd prefer to have as neutral colours as possible.
Have you tried going into Preferences then Appearance and changing the colour choices for Viewer? Going lighter or darker may provide a bit more contrast and have the scroll bar be a bit more visible.
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The brightness of the rewarding orange on an activated slider control is much less bright than that of the control bars of selected controls in active operation. Much less.
Like you, I would prefer to have as neutral colours as possible too, I am in full arrangement with you and the designers' choices. But I still have difficulty FINDING the slider control ...until I am rewarded with the muted orange - AFTER having found it.
I use a Wacom pen, have done so for probably longer than Capture One has been in existence(?). It's a need - carpal tunnel. Slightly awkward to get the pen on to that narrow vertical scroll bar - invisible slider control notwithstanding.
Yes, long ago I tried your suggested Preferences route. It only changes the colour of the immediate back ground to the image being edited. No more contrast ever become available and, no, I don't want the scroll bar to become more visible - at all - under any circumstances. I want the SLIDER control to be more visible for easier detection and use. The Preferences option has no apparent effect on navigational controls. My normal setting is Shift-2 so that I readily see a deep black vignette where one is apparent.
Thank you anyway for trying to help me on my Windows workstation.
May I respectfully point out that Microsoft has ALREADY have developed a good UX
functionality re: visibility of scroll bars and their sliders on panels showing extending content.Settings > Display > Simplify and personalise Windows > Automatically hide scroll bars in Windows > ON
* scroll bar remains narrowly visible and in muted neutral colours ✓
* hovering nearby the scroll bar makes it swell in operational width making it more visible ✓
* muted neutral colour palette changes to a more contrasting mode - slider control element particularly ✓
* after slider use it all 'retracts' to be nominally discrete but not quite totally invisible ✓Phase One / Capture One - the wheel does not have to be re-invented. Please adopt what
Microsoft has already developed ...probably to dodge discriminatory/regulatory issues :-)0 -
For what it's worth when I changed to Windows 10 a few months ago one of the first things I disliked about it - a dislike that persists to this day - is that the "hover-to-expand" scroll bars Microsoft use are almost invisible in some situations. As far as wheels go, the ones in Win 7 seemed to work well enough. I wionder what has been gained from the change.
At least C1 has a wide enough visible presentation to be able to place the cursor on it and, once activated, a sensibly broad tolerance of position to maintain the scrolling function without a need for extreme accuracy.
All of that said ... I'm not sure I understand the visibility issues you have with finding the scroll bar in the first place. So I am probably missing something about the way you prefer to have the system and application software configured.
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I am much in agreement with your thoughts... I don't like the expanding-on-hover bars but I CAN see their included slider control elements before I drag them.
Agree on the maintain scrolling without the need for extreme accuracy. I'm with you there all the way. I can be off the scroll bar by quite a lot and still scroll. My point, my issue, is actually FINDING the slider control in the first place:-/
Attached a screenshot... the slider element is not particularly easy to find and it gets a lot worse in bigger directories/folders. Sorry about the space taken up but I thought the image relevant to the thread.
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