Nikon Z9 RAW (NEF) High-Efficiency
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Please add support for Nikon Z9 RAW (NEF) High-Efficiency * and High-Efficiency formats ASAP. Only lossless compressed RAWs are supported in the current version (Capture One 22 (For Nikon) build 15.0.0.94
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Workaround for now is to convert NEFs with HE compression to DNG (size with lossy/keep resolution compression set in Adobe's tool is similar). Then import to C1.
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cool, yeah, just started doing that. definitely a short-term solution, though it didn't seem to carry the lens corrections over. but better than nothing!
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Finally received my Z9 yesterday and I just found out Nikon Z9 HE* is not supported by Capture One. Thoroughly disappointed. I always shoot raw and now I need to have loads of disk space if I should continue to use C1... Please prioritize this. Left LR years ago and don't want to go back.
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Ok, I am as upset as anyone about the lack of HE/HE* RAW file support, but in all fairness, it isn't world changing (getting to use smaller files would be really helpful, though). The ordinary RAW files are 47MP, which makes them the same size as when you were shooting the Z7ii, the Z7, or the D850.
If you are getting the Z9 now, you are either no stranger to large picture files (from one of those 3 cameras perhaps), or you just spent $5500 on your way into a brand new hobby and may as well start stocking up on storage now. Or learn to delete the ones you don't need.
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@Michael Murphy You are right. I am only as upset as anyone who hasn't grossly exaggerated the situation like some kind of hyperbolic internet cartoon. Feel free to check my other posts on the matter.
I *want* Capture One to support the new formats - to the point that I am willing to move my workflow to software that supports them. You *expect* this quick support - based on what, exactly? Was there a timeline promised? A deadline missed? Has Capture One done something that indicates this is a reliable expectation? Certainly, the fact that no one else had support either should be some indicator that this was a bit more than clicking a checkbox.
You think Adobe or Nikon is pulling a power move on Capture One, based on what evidence? Nikon actually has a deal with Capture One (the Nikon only version), so it seems at best, an ODD move for Nikon. What power move could Adobe pull that wouldn't beat simply devoting coders to the cause. Adobe has more resources, being a larger company. The new video format coming out later this week would have their Premier coders looking to keep pace with Davinci Resolve, and it is possible they were able to share some knowledge to make faster progress (the NEV video format is based on the same TiCoRAW). This seems much more likely than a dark alliance between the Illuminati and the Freemasons conspiring to keep TiCoRAW from the hands of Phase One.
Maybe Phase One has dropped the ball on the priority of this. If so, like you, I will be looking elsewhere. I really do not like Adobe, so if that is the only game in town, I am willing to wait a little longer to see if someone else joins the party, but not forever. I can choke my way back to LR if need be.
I would point out that there are a substantial number of professional software packages that cost more than C1Pro that have not been adapted to the Apple M1 Silicon yet. Apple is a much bigger company than all the camera makers combined. Software like After Effects, Maya, Character Studio, and Houdini are not M1 optimized.
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Adobe might just have done what C1 is avoiding like the plague - don't wait for M1 optimized libraries and run Intel ones through Rosetta, even though it means less performance. After all, the amount of Z9 shooters who shoot events or sport, do it in RAW and use a latest Mac to process their photos has to be rather small. Judging from their latest supported camera list that states they don't support high eff. RAW on any ARM based machine except a Mac (which is the only platform that can emulate Intel processors when needed).
intoPIX on their page says they have codecs for x86/x64 processors and for graphics cards, no mention of one for ARM architecture yet - so the thing C1 wants from Nikon probably doesn't even exist. At least until someone pays intoPIX enough money to have it developed.0 -
@Ondrej Capka I am thinking it is either that, or they just muscled through without the actual SDK and know they will have to redo some stuff later.
N-log RAW is the video cousin to HE* RAW, and Davinci Resolve can handle that on an M1 as of 17.4. This forces Adobe to get Premier in the game (8K60 on full frame is no joke at this price point). And then its isn't a stretch to get it to Lightroom.
Maybe they are using Rosetta for the import? I do not know how easy it is to bounce back and forth. I know some of my FCP plugins just barf when I ask them to run like that. I have to run all of FCP through Rosetta, or forgo the plugins. Either way, I really want that support, just not more than I hate subscription model software - yet.
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Response from Nikon on the subject. How is this for a completely dismissive, PR response? For the record, I was not asking about "future product development." I was asking about the level of Nikon cooperation (or lack thereof) with Capture one in providing support for the current HE* format. She clearly copied & pasted a boilerplate response. For anyone interested, she invites us to call (phone # below):
Question details: Coordination with Capture One - HE* format Created: 04/15/2022 by Email | Reference #: 05914895 Response from Brianna M. Thank you for contacting Nikon.
We thank you for your comments and suggestions regarding our products. Nikon strives to take all possible steps for the improvement of its products and relies heavily on our research and development departments. Although we appreciate your feedback we are unable to discuss future product development.
If you have any further questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to reply to this email or contact us back at 1-800-645-6687. Our hours of operation are Monday through Friday, 9am-8pm EST.
Regards,
Brianna M.
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@Michael Murphy looks like the same response I got, nearly word for word, but from a different rep.
In all fairness, my response from intoPix, who make TiCoRAW was not better, and CaptureOne’s response is a bit ‘legally vague,’ as well (and other RAW processors too). So, in this litigious society, straight answers are an early casualty.1 -
Time to contact Nikon ambassadors that uses c1 :)
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Hi,
Is there a plan to give us some timeline when C1 is going to support the reading of the HE compressed NEF format of the Nikon Z9 camera? This can be a momentum for C1 to gain more professional photographers… C1 is faster then LR and handels nosie and color issues better than LR in my experience (z6ii). But we struggle with the Z9 post processing…0 -
Same here. Wento on to test the Z9 yesterday and when I tried to import the files, only the couple JPEGs I shot showed up in the import window. I then discovered the issue with the HE format file.
Please add this support ASAP.
thank you!
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Is there a plan to give us some timeline when C1 is going to support the reading of the HE compressed NEF format of the Nikon Z9 camera?
No.
Whilst we cannot comment on future releases, we take all suggestions on board.
https://support.captureone.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/4415914839441/comments/4416247226897
Nice to see you're paying attention, though.
Capture One isn't alone in having problems supporting HE files - so is DxO PhotoLab, for example.
It's the price you pay for Nikon using a proprietary, closed format (and yes, that's exactly what it is). So blame Nikon, not, Capture One.
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You *expect* this quick support - based on what, exactly? Was there a timeline promised? A deadline missed? Has Capture One done something that indicates this is a reliable expectation? Certainly, the fact that no one else had support either should be some indicator that this was a bit more than clicking a checkbox.
There ya go...
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Just for those who are stuck in this situation - I made the decision to use Adobe Camera Raw via Adobe Bridge to create .DNG files. To do this I had signed up to a one year of Photoshop and/or Lightroom. This gave me access to Camera Raw, via Bridge - I then bulk exported all the .NEF files to .DNG files. I was then was able to open the .DNG files in Capture One.
Not sure if there is a loss of data going from NEF ----> DNG?
Its an expensive option - and I now use the full NEF files - It was the only way to recover the images.
Hope that helps anyone who is stuck.
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Adobe has a free DNG converter based on ACR, it's enough to do the trick. Good as a temporary solution until IntoPIX releases a SDK for ARM processors (Adobe works, but only on Intel, everyone else waits until full Mac support is available).
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Now I do not think this is reasonable to convert 1000+ images from a photoshoot. (Keeper % is way higher with the z9 than before). We currently use the bigger NEF file option with Lossless Compressed instead of the HE or HE* compression. This also works.
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Bad news
CO 15.3.0.119 released ... NO support for Z9 HE compressed files on Mac. CO you kidding.1 -
I vote also for HE* support of the Nikon Z9. As of now it is really overdue!
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Disadvantage of using a third party proprietary codec - everyone's waiting for Intopix to create a version for Apple M processors, until that's done, nobody seems to be making a move. Only one supporting it now is Adobe and even they only do it on Intel/AMD.
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„Only one that supports it now is Adobe and even they only do it on Intel/AMD.“
That is not correct. Adobe also supports the M1 chip. I work on an M1 Mac and can easily work in LR/PS with HE* RAW files from the Z9
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It is my understanding that this is through Rosetta 2, the ‘translator’ provided by Apple.
Not by something Adobe reverse engineered.
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Although not quite the same, I see Luminar Neo works with HE. A small 14 year old Ukrainian company can support it but a 29 year old company cannot. Not seeing the effort here.
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@Alan Warwick not sure where you saw that, but Luminar Neo does not support HE RAW yet. I own it and am bugging them also.
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I don't want to switch to lightroom but if capture one doesn't move I'm afraid I'll have to
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This still isn’t supported!? Many many months later, for a flagship camera. Come on guys!!!
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Seriously! This is becoming so obnoxious. At this point, i would be saving a couple
hundred per month on extra SSDs for every shoot if Capture One would support the compressed raws of the Z9. And/or I could shoot even more footloose and fancy -free! At least give us the real reason this is an issue.-1 -
The reason is still the same, after more than a year (counting the prerelease versions of the Z9), there's still no codec from Intopix that supports Apple M series chips.
Personally I have the HE raws set in a separate shooting bank, pointed to another folder - and before import I convert them to DNG. Slows down the workflow, but other than that it works quite well.0 -
I work on a Apple M1. Lightroom can read and edit the compressed files from my Z9. Big question. Why can Adobe and not CO????
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As you know there are no uncompressed raw formats in z9 just losslessed compressed and HE/HE* compressed. The compressing algorithm is developed by intopix and is embedded into the z9 camera. What Adobe SWs do for uncomressing these files ... it is their home-brew solution. We have been struggling with this development from Adobe since Jan 2022 and have given up for z9 raw files due to the changes it makes when loading (although this became much better gradually).
Currently C1 supports the losslessed compressed format (but not the HE/He*) but not Adobe (and of curse Nikon's own SW).
We still need to wait some (hopefully little time) as the developer third party (Intopix) has released an SDK for third party developers. (Currently Nikon's SW is running as well over the rosetta emulator on apple computers.)
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