Harmonic armature grid
Can we have harmonic armature grids added to Composition Tool?
Some enthusiasts distribute such packs for Lightroom - http://www.the-art-of-composition.com/dynamic-symmetry-grids.html.
It would be great to have it in C1 natively.
Thanks.
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I would also appreciate this feature.
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Yeah me too, can’t actually believe such a basic feature is not included already
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Permanently deleted userYeah me too, can’t actually believe such a basic feature is not included already
BS. I have:
- Capture One 20 and 23;
- Lightroom Classic;
- Photo Ninja;
- ACDSee Photo Studio Professional 2023;
- ACDsee Gemstone 12;
- Affinity Photo 2;
- On1 Photo RAW 2023;
- PhotoShop 2023;
and several other RAW converters on my machine, and precisely none of them natively offer this "basic" feature.
Know why? Because most people couldn't care less about it.
So I'm baffled as to why you find its absence in Capture One so hard to believe...
Make your case by all means - but maybe be honest about it, eh?
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It's not about 'raw converters', software and computers at all, but about art/composition, where it is indeed "basic".
Not clear what makes you so mad about it.
>> Because most people couldn't care less about it.
Even if you had some studies with numbers to fortify your statement it wouldn't matter - C1 *already* has such grids (so some people do care about composition, but you're right - most don't), it's just a matter of adding another one.
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As for me, I don't use tethering at all, but it can also be a good use case, you're right.
I'm not sure it can be implemented as a library of overlays in C1 that users can control (although it would be great to have such option).1 -
I've looked at the picture on the Art of Composition page linked to. I wonder whether photographers would really place the model and frame their composition so as to try to fit that grid? I agree that I like the way that photo is composed, but I suspect that the photographer is likely to have gone for what to their experienced eye would look artistically pleasing. After the fact, the grid pattern may help to explain why that looked good, but do people really use these things to set up their shots?
Ian
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I meant the Crop tool initially, yes.
And having this particular grid is just being consistent, because there are already two composition grids (the rule of 3rds and the Fibonacci spiral) in C1.
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Ian Wilson
>> After the fact, the grid pattern may help to explain why that looked good, but do people really use these things to set up their shots?
Well, if they want them to look good...0 -
I am glad to see that harmonic armature suddenly triggers such passion. Capture one has the rectangular, golden ratio and Fibonacci spiral, I really don’t see why the harmonic armature is missing. It’s not because some of you don’t use it that no one else does. I am sure most of you used the rule of thirds at least once in your life, well harmonic armature is just a bit more sophisticated approach and if you never used it, I would highly advise you to give it a go once in a while. Many photographers actually use it, just google it and you’ll see. Personally, I find harmonic armature very helpful in a studio environment to position the bodies, props, etc… Or simply when cropping a landscape, of course you can use an overlay but it would be nice to have it included in the features.
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@Ian Wilson
You asked "I wonder whether photographers would really place the model and frame their composition so as to try to fit that grid?"
Many images by Henri Cartier-Bresson are composed using the major diagonals and their respective reciprocals. Sometimes, this composition technique is referred to as using "Golden Triangles".
Adam Marelli analysed Henri Cartier-Bresson's images and wrote a great piece about his findings.
Personally, I find it puzzling for Capture One to dedicate a full tool to compositional grids/aids and only feature very few basic patterns. Why use a dedicated tool as opposed to make it a property of the crop tool, if only so few basic patterns are supported?
In particular the compositional aid under discussion here has a very long history in art and it would have been the first one I supported.
FWIW, I've made an equivalent feature request a long time ago. As usual, Capture One found more important things to do, such as creating an export dialogue that was not publicly requested and that was hated by a huge amount of people.
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Yes, I just wondered whether people like Cartier-Bresson consciously composed their images to fit that kind of grid, or whether they instinctively did what seemed appropriate to them, and when lesser mortals like us analyse their images afterwards we say that it works because it fits that kind of compositional grid.
Don't know, just musing...
Ian
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@Ian Wilson
Adam Marelli and Myron Barnstone found the alignment of HCB's images with the "Golden Triangles" to be so precise and frequent that they speculated that he had created markers in his viewfinder.
However HCB is also quoted as having said "I hope we will never see the day when photo shops sell little schema grills to clamp onto our viewfinders; and the Golden Rule will never be found etched on our ground glass."
Personally I believe there are people who instinctively find strong compositions and others who benifit from some guidance. Some of those with a good intuition may have developed the latter unconsciously by being exposed to a lot of good images (including classic paintings). These good images tend to use compositional strategies that "work".
I don't think the slavish blind following of one "rule" is never a good idea but that there are some compositional principles that are useful to know about when aiming to create strong images.
In my view, good art requires craft. Those who believe that "artistic licence" gives one a free hand to do anything are mistaken. One can create without structure but the outcome is rarely art.
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