it's been a blast
Well it's been a gas as they say. I moved from Adobe to avoid all this subscription nonsense and yet here we are dealing with 'subscription nonsense'. It makes absolutely no sense to stay with Capture One for what I'm paying and what I'm getting. I'd rather give my $10 to Adobe and get photoshop and ipad app for no extra charge.
I hope your users abandon you in flocks and droves.
I'm outtie!
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I Agree with you.
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If the features of Capture One are not worth the price, Adobe would make sense. In looking at the details of the new “loyalty” plan, I am not seeing the huge difference from the previous plan’s cost. You can upgrade annually, probably for a little more than the upgrade to version 23. When you upgrade, you get any other updates until September 30 of that year.There have almost never substantial new features after that date and before the next pay for upgrade later in the year. I’d bet, Capture One will still have discounts for advanced sales or other discounts, as in the past, but that is not guaranteed. The ability to skip a version and get the same discount has changed in that the longer you wait to upgrade, the lower the discount.
Unless I have badly misread the future costs of a subscription, the new sales program is a difference without much significance. Capture One did not do itself a favor by the ambiguities and mystery surrounding the new program, which requires interpretation and reading between the lines, so much so that perpetual license users are left wondering what exactly has changed.
As in the past, if you buy a new camera, you will need to upgrade to a version that supports it.
If I were King of the Capture One world, I would consider a different approach for perpetual licenses.Offer a base version of Capture One with the current features. Thereafter provide lifetime bug fixes, only. One should never have to pay for bringing software up to the function it was promised to have. Thereafter, sell new features a la carte. If I never want to do HDR or panoramas using Capture One, why would I need to buy it to get another feature I might want? The cost of adding a single feature could be balanced against the cost of buying all the features of an upgrade for the user and the company.
One last thought. If you are a hobbiest or Capture One is the biggest line item in your annual budget, increasing cost is relevant. How this could be is hard to understand. Anyone with a modern camera, lenses, flash gear, printers, a computer and accessories is investing substantially to remain current. Saving 25 cents a day going over to Adobe is not worth it unless Adobe does a better job and saves you time. If so, why are you not using Adobe products now? The time lost for the conversion is not trivial.
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C1 is a better program for RAW conversion than LR or some of the other current offerings. For me, the ultimate question is do I need a superior program as a hobbyist. I was an Aperture user>LR>C1. Each transition was a real pain. Also, what is the long range vision of C1. What is their plan or stated another way, who do they think is their customer/market. Recently I was not impressed in their new features... at least for my needs.
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First, do not panic. One can still buy perpetual license and they acknowledge it will not change.
The whole industry is moving toward quick updates and subscriptions (unfortunately for customers, imo).
I guess, It's difficult for C1 to swin against that.
One reason of my move to C1 was also Adobe 's policy.
My wish: C1 Pro "Long life support", a paid perpetual license WITHOUT workflow changes or new features but at least 5 years support (bug fixes and new camera/lens)
My thought: in the end, we will all get some open-source free software just to get a (relatively) stable and working software..
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Offer a base version of Capture One with the current features. Thereafter provide lifetime bug fixes, only. One should never have to pay for bringing software up to the function it was promised to have
This.
If I buy version X.n then I want all of the updates of X.n
If I then need to buy Y.n because it has new features that feels fair.The logic of this new system seems stupid and will damage sales I think. I am already less likely to recommend capture one to as a serious adobe alternative.
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My thought: in the end, we will all get some open-source free software just to get a (relatively) stable and working software..
They already exist and Darktable is a very powerful option in terms of editing if not cataloguing. But you also get what you are paying for and unless you are more of a software enthusiast than a photographer, then good luck with that :-) Prepare to invest a lot of time...
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I'd rather give my $10 to Adobe and get photoshop and ipad app for no extra charge.
Frankly, I'd rather you did that too - one less whiner to deal with.
I hope your users abandon you in flocks and droves.
They won't. Your petulant, ignorant hissy-fit is your problem - like the fact that you don't seem to comprehend that Capture One isn't forcing subscription on anyone.
But facts rather get in the way of your infantile tantrum, don't they?
My thought: in the end, we will all get some open-source free software just to get a (relatively) stable and working software.
I've had that - from Capture One - since version 3.7 was released...
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ohhh. poor Kiethy is having a little morning meltdown. would you like a soother to suck on.
No you're right CP isn't forcing anyone to do anything. The problem is all they see are $$$$$$, have stopped listening to their clients. Sadly CP is a one trick pony. Adobe on the other hand has their fingers in everything, from photography, video and graphic design. So they don't care if you move away from Lightroom cause they have a huge market. I do hope CP goes the way of the dodo. peace.
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Upgrades over the past few versions have had modest improvements. If I were a commercials photographer, I wonder how many of them really improved my revenue. As a hobbiest, I have liked some of the new features, but most of what I really need related to computer, camera and lens compatibility. The other new stuff is not critical for me. I do not need many of the features Photoshop has because I use Capture one as an electronic darkroom, not for compositing. Capture One is a pretty mature product for developing/editing images and I could live with its current features for years. I do not buy a new camera, lens or computer every year. So, if I can wait until enough new features make it worth buying Capture One’s latest version, even if I have to pay the full purchase price and can do it every other year, it would be about the same cost on an annual basis.
If you upgrade yearly, or every 2 years, Capture One is not going to be able to charge for each incremental update to the software you originally paid for. This is not compatible with selling a perpetual license for the latest version at a price new customers would tolerate. In the worst case, you would have to wait until the new features justify purchasing a new perpetual license.
I think the real concern for those of us who want to avoid subscriptions for whatever reason is that perpetual licenses are perceived by Capture One as not a sustainable strategy for revenue. If folks decide they do not need to by annual upgrades because Capture One is sufficiently robust and the upgrades are ho hum, the only way to make money is by going to subscription, exclusively.
Apologies for being long winded, but my wife is in PT and I need an activity while I wait for her.
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Mostly, I agree.
However, some new features are really great and I rely om them a lot: HDR, CaptureOme Live.
Some others are not for me or (to my mind) broken: Cull, Export Window.
I would really like CaptureOne got its Pro feeling back:
- keep UI and workflow working. Do not break it on each new release
- release the new features when ready. HDR is still not finished, and Live took one year. Cull is not working in my opinion..180€ for a new version witg 2 years support is fine.
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The idea is not to have a long-term bug fix release every year. Only one. After a couple of years one of the later versions will replace the previous long-term release. At least that's my idea. Similar to Oracle, see https://support.captureone.com/hc/en-us/articles/8824180384285/comments/8859721695133
Anyway, a version for which you do only bug fixing and ensure compatibility (provided the OS does not radically change) does not mean a significant development and testing effort, actually it is far less than for a code branch which is under active feature development. Btw, automated regression testing is something C1 should emphasize more in the future because (1) regression defects I see too often in C1 for my taste and (2) if they really speed up new feature releases it can only get worse or more effortsome for them (more releases = more effort for testing or more regression bugs, choose your pain)
Cheers
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Somehow Econ Technologies has been able to sell ChronoSync with lifetime free upgrades. It has been updated over 70 times since 2002 with at least one major update coming out every year, including on time updates to make it compatible with the latest OS. Somehow they stay in business. Somehow they don't sell buggy updates. Granted their software is not as complex as photo software, but somewhere between their utopian model and that of Capture One must be a reasonable middle ground business model.
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