Exported image more saturated than what Capture One shows
As the title states, the image that is seen while using capture one is very desaturated and not the right colors when using fuji film simulations and exported. The exported images are much more saturated. Is this a monitor icc issue? Or a setting in COne?
Viewing the exported film sim using windows "Photos" which is not color managed shows the same as capture one, however using irfanview or even chrome to view the image, it is saturated.
I am using the Alienware AW3423dwf monitor, but the differences in color are noticeable regardless of device.
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First of all I would enable softproofing your recipe, enable this icon on top:
Second, even with softproofing enabled I often noticed a difference between softproofing sRGB vs. setting my (wide gamut) monitor to sRGB. I once figured how to reproduce this issue but found no viable solution other than setting my calibrated monitor to sRGB.
btw, I have read somewhere that Windows 11 since last November (or so) build has implemented a different kind of color management in addition to WCS but it sounded as if the software would need to be enhanced as well, which I believe C1 did not yet.
So, my advice: softproof sRGB and set your monitor to sRGB too.
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Soft proofing seemingly does nothing, even when I set it to literally any of the rgb color spaces and if I change my monitor to srgb, my guess is that like you said windows 11 changed their management and COne has yet to account for it. Makes sense because the last time I used COne was on my old monitor last year before November. Thank you for the info!
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Have you enabled, or set by default, the new HDR setting in Windows? If so then this could interfere with the normal colour management pipeline as the monitor profile that came with your monitor will not be aware of the new colour mechanism for HDR or pseudo HDR.
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But windows 11 still support the old color management
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IanS, HDR is turned off in windows, I know it has its own color space and whatnot as per the monitor, but I dont have it on when editing pictures.
BeO, how can I tell COne to use the right color space
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That's all I know and I do as I've written. It works for me (C1 v22, Windows 10 and calibrated Eizo monitor).
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UPDATE: When HDR is turned OFF through the monitor and windows, irfanview shows the same as COne and windows photos now, the desaturated one, FastStone and chrome still show the saturated picture. When i view the image on my iPhone 13 pro, it shows the saturated image (albiet not exactly the same but thats to be expected, still way more saturated than whats visible on my monitor). I suspect irfanview not to working correctly with some ICC and the desaturated look on COne is still an issue!
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As far as I can find, Irfanview is not colour managed by default unless you explicitly enable this in the settings.
To compare: enable colour management and use the same rendering intent (e.g. perceptual) in CO and external viewers. Next enable soft-proofing with the colour profile you export in, in this case sRGB.
Then still, not all applications deal with colour management properly and/or similarly. The oversaturated look* happens when you take a limited gamut sRGB image and stretch the values up to the wide gamut (AdobeRB/DCI-P3) of the display > bad/no colour management.
As you've found HDR settings are another compounding factor for buggy behaviour.So use apps that manage colour well. Chrome is not one of them, the Chromium bug tracker contains several reports. Firefox does this better in my experience.
To circumvent these limited gamut > wide gamut issues, some people producing web content (almost always sRGB) simply set their monitor to the sRGB mode.*You say CaptureOne and some options are under saturated. I think actually the saturated ones are probably 'wrong'. It looks nice those saturated and full colours, but it's not a honest representation of the limited sRGB source. Of course that's fine for day to day Youtube viewing or web browsing if that's the look you prefer, but perhaps not the best when trying to create content with accurate colours.
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Thank you for your insight, I think its just a bug that happens even with proper color managed programs like when irfanview is properly setup AND FastStone viewer with my monitor and windows. when hdr is turned off but the monitor is set up to be ready for the hdr switch, it shows the wider gamut, if not it clamps it properly to srgb. Very strange.
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