New prices! Are they for real? Perpetual scam!
Hi,
I have used Capture One for many many years and today I got the so called "loyalty offer" asking me € 210,- for a perpetual licence. When I read the fine print I am shocked:
"Getting a perpetual license means you get the current version of Capture One that’s available at the time of purchase and you can continue to keep using that version as long as your hardware and operating system support it. The license doesn’t automatically update when new features are released like the subscription, so you you’ll need to purchase a new perpetual license if you want later the latest tools and updates".
No company that I know of dears to do this with their users base.
So when I understand it well they try to let you move to a subscription!
No way I'm going to renew my license for € 210,- and not getting any updates or new features. Capture One proofed in the past to make very buggy software with hardly any innovations compare to the competition. And I don't let me force in a subscription plan!
I already purchased a license for PhotoLab Elite.
Wish you all the luck with this un-trustful company that is trying to squeeze every penny out of your pocket, but not delivering anything in return!
David
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Do you mean a catalog for raw files incl. editor? Affinity Photo has a raw developer, though I don't like it too much.
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I agree, this is why I am still in good faith that Affinity will come up with a stand alone RAW editor solution that has its 'problems' fixed and will have a feature set that you may expect from a descent RAW editor. They indeed are not there yet. But as with their other software, they have shown to be very capable and competitive against Adobe.
At this moment in time there is a huge opportunity for them now CO has shown they are incapable of keeping their user base.
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CO has shown they are incapable of keeping their user base.
I am on the verge, and some left, but that does not mean their user base, it you count new users, actually shrunk. I guess you don't know where to see actual numbers, I would be interested.
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The only reason to stay is for the tethering options.
No reason to do so!
https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-classic/kb/tethered-camera-support.html
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So the company can be expected to be sold before it's run into the ground completely?
I'd have no issues with the higher prices, nor necessarily with the subscription model, if the change came with improved software quality and reliability rather than not quite finished features and insufficient resources for fixing the many issues and limitations of Capture One.
I'll most likely stay on for now though as I don't know what else to use. I'm reluctant to go back to Lightroom, tried PhotoLab but didn't like its cluttered, unintuitive interface. And Photomator is nowhere near being a viable replacement.
David Mantripp Any idea how long the 30% discount offer lasts?
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Nope. Maybe ask CaptureOne ? :-)
If you want to know what's coming down the pipeline, it's pretty easy: sign up to the Beta program.
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Yes - The problem is Capture One doesn't tell you what features will be new and if the HDR and Panorama function would have been correctly implemented I might have had more faith. However the many problems these 'new' features have are still not resolved. This already has made me use 3rd party software to do these tasks. So basically I have been paying for 'new features' that have had a lousy implementation in the first place. As if they were rushed to be finished, to then not have updated them to get them working as they should.
I am afraid that any new AI implementation into CO will be done as bad. So before spending another 200 euros for an update. I first want to know what features will be new, and how good they will be working. Then I also expect more than just 'bugfixes'. for those €200,- Euros. Adobe's Photographers licence only cost 130 euros yearly and does give you Photoshop, Lightroom classic and the ability to use Lightroom on your iPad for those moments you are not having your laptop with you. In the end thats just a much better deal than paying 200 euro's for bugfixes without new feature implementations.0 -
Thanks for your reply.
I'm on the beta program, but it only gives you an indication of imminent changes, not of what's going to happen over the next the year.
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well ok, but which software company gives you a roadmap over a year? They probably don't even know for sure themselves. Let's be reasonable here.
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I'm not requesting a roadmap. My complaints here are about the quality of the software, the lack of resources for fixing obvious issues and limitations, the not quite finished state of new features. As mentioned above, I'd be OK with higher prices, subscription too, if this was accompanied by improvements beyond what you'd expect anyway.
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After much consideration, I'm going back to Adobe, where I escaped from when I discovered the original Capture One. After years of enjoying these editions of CO, many many years, I leave it with regret, but the plans that Capture One has been proposing make it for me an even more unfriendly company than Adobe.
I repeat, for me CO is a much better program (for my needs) than Photoshop or Lightroom, but I no longer go for these new proposals.
I will continue to read all these developments just out of curiosity on the forums.
Best regards to all,2 -
Given the relative proportion of software costs (even C1 full price) to all other photo gear, I am somewhat astounded that some choose to go for a solution which meets their needs LESS just to save a few coins....
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It's not as though Capture One doesn't have its disadvantages; the new licensing model is just one of them. Just as going back to Lightroom is a compromise, so is sticking with Capture One.
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Just as going back to Lightroom is a compromise, so is sticking with Capture One
- Tendency for regression defects, with virtually every release, I am not really able to use any release beyond 15.2
- Very bad bug fix policy for perpetual license customers
- Not sufficient fine tuning for new features
- Lack of resources for fixing issues and limitations, the addon modules and new functions seem to be favored over the core product quality
- Lost appreciation for their perpetual license customer base
- Consequently, uncertainty how long the perpetual license model will be offered
- Price is also a point. If you don't change or upgrade your photo gear too often there is a point where software to hardware cost ratio is becoming an issue, and taking into account what new features are actually worth for you (which of course is very user-dependent)
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Another thing is, with Capture One you will need additional software to make up for its limitations (inability to handle large catalogues, edit GPS metadata, etc.).
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Thomas Kyhn Out of curiosity: what do you call "large catalogues"? I have no issues regarding performance with several libraries I would call "large", meaning some tens of thousands RAW images each.
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In my experience Capture One becomes unresponsive when performing insignificant tasks such as switching between tool tabs already with 20k+ images in a catalogue. The unresponsiveness doesn't last that long with a catalogue of this size, but as more images are added it only gets worse. With a previous catalogue containing 65k+ images (now split up into several smaller catalogues), Capture One was hopelessly slow, sometimes unresponsive for more than a minute when performing the same insignificant tasks.
I've seen this across different versions of Capture One, different versions of macOS, etc. I've tried all I could think of, and I've been in contact with support about it for a long time, and their conclusion was that Capture One wasn't optimized for handling large catalogues and the only thing to do was to split up such catalogues into smaller catalogues.
See this thread. And this request.
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Thanks... that's odd, however. I honestly never experienced any similar issues with my libraries, the largest being around 80+ images. I'm on Apple Silicon, too, a M1 Macbook Air, so definitely lower specs than the machine you're using. The only time I see the spinning wheel occasionally is when the machine runs out of memory in general because of too many open apps, but then of course it affects all running apps. And I also made it a habit to give C1 some time to create all previews after an import.
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Yes, my impression is that it isn't all users who experience this sort of unresponsiveness. Unresponsiveness when searching, for instance, is probably more of a general issue though.
I still have no idea what's causing it. Not a word from support about it. And improvements in this area appear to have no priority, most likely because it would require that the catalogue system be rebuilt completely.
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Thomas Kyhn
Yes, my impression is that it isn't all users who experience this sort of unresponsiveness. Unresponsiveness when searching, for instance, is probably more of a general issue though.
I still have no idea what's causing it. Not a word from support about it. And improvements in this area appear to have no priority, most likely because it would require that the catalogue system be rebuilt completely.
I have my collection in C1 divided into a number of catalogues to help speed (a little). LR OTOH, handles them all (~70k images).
I've been concerned that this seemed to have zero priority at C1 for as long as I used it. However, it's now not an issue! 😏
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..... And then, just a few minutes ago, you receive an e-mail stating you get an extra 40% off when you upgrade to the upcoming version of CO Pro.
That - to me looks as if they are desperate and tells me things are not going very well in terms of pre-orders or sales.
Sorry, but it has all been too little too late.
I am back to LR as I was still working with Photoshop anyway and for the money CO asks as in a monthly fee. It just doesn't offer me what Adobe does. I wonder, how long before CO needs to sell off all its assets to another software publisher. Here Serif comes to mind, who would have a great start with CO in their product portfolio.1
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