Printing help

Jerry C

• February 03, 2020 16:49

In the past, I have had several printers and have achieved nice results by experimentation at the cost of a lot of wasted ink and paper. I would like to approach this more scientifically with my new Canon Pixma Pro 100. I spoke with Canon support and was not able to get complete answers.


Here is the problem with my understanding:

I understand how Canon names its profiles, but they do not always correspond to how Canon label their paper (on the box). Most of the time you can figure this out, but occasionally this is a challenge, e.g., a paper designated as Premium Matte (PM-101) does not have a corresponding ICC Profile in list of ICC profiles (supplied by the Pro-100 driver) in Capture One or other software. The ICC dropdown lists MP, MPN and PMN, but not PM.

The media type choices are named rather generically and do not correspond to the names in the ICC profiles, which adds to the confusion.

Here are my questions:

So, when selecting print parameters, what is being defined by the media/paper type that is not evident from the ICC profile for a specific paper? Why does the print dialog box display 9 generic choices for media type, but 19 choices for paper ICC profiles defined by the exact Canon nomenclature for each paper type?

When letting the printer manage the color profile, if I select Canon Color Matching, I get no choice of color profiles, but if I choose Color/Sync I get all 19 of the ICC profiles to choose from. How can Canon Color Matching match colors if it only knows the general paper type, not the ICC profile for the specific paper I am using?

So, can anyone recommend a book or other publication that describes all of the possible choices in the print dialog boxes and examples of step by step workflow and the reason for decisions made in that workflow? The Capture One manual is a good start, but does not address the workflow in sufficient detail.

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  Dave R

  • February 03, 2020 18:34

  NN635680879799322049UL wrote:
  In the past, I have had several printers and have achieved nice results by experimentation at the cost of a lot of wasted ink and paper. I would like to approach this more scientifically with my new Canon Pixma Pro 100. I spoke with Canon support and was not able to get complete answers.
  
  
  Here is the problem with my understanding:
  
  I understand how Canon names its profiles, but they do not always correspond to how Canon label their paper (on the box). Most of the time you can figure this out, but occasionally this is a challenge, e.g., a paper designated as Premium Matte (PM-101) does not have a corresponding ICC Profile in list of ICC profiles (supplied by the Pro-100 driver) in Capture One or other software. The ICC dropdown lists MP, MPN and PMN, but not PM.
  
  If you go to Printing Preference/Quick Setup/Media Type you will find Photo Paper Pro Premium Matt under Fine Art Papers
  
  The media type choices are named rather generically and do not correspond to the names in the ICC profiles, which adds to the confusion.
  
  Here are my questions:
  
  So, when selecting print parameters, what is being defined by the media/paper type that is not evident from the ICC profile for a specific paper? Why does the print dialog box display 9 generic choices for media type, but 19 choices for paper ICC profiles defined by the exact Canon nomenclature for each paper type?
  
  0000FF:27i5q8nz] I make it 18 choices if you include Plain Paper, photo Papers and Fine Art Papers 27i5q8nz]
  
  When letting the printer manage the color profile, if I select Canon Color Matching, I get no choice of color profiles, but if I choose Color/Sync I get all 19 of the ICC profiles to choose from. How can Canon Color Matching match colors if it only knows the general paper type, not the ICC profile for the specific paper I am using?
  
  0000FF:27i5q8nz]If you choose Driver Matching Matching you are letting the print driver select the correct profile based on the selected media type. If you use ICC Profile Matching you could choose a custom profile rather than the canned Canon PRO-100<PMN>2/3 Photo Paper Pro Premium Matte profile.27i5q8nz]
  
  So, can anyone recommend a book or other publication that describes all of the possible choices in the print dialog boxes and examples of step by step workflow and the reason for decisions made in that workflow? The Capture One manual is a good start, but does not address the workflow in sufficient detail.

  
  
  Personalty I always use None for matching and set paper profile in the capture one printer window and let capture one do the color management.

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  Jerry C

  • February 04, 2020 01:46

  Thanks. My goal is to be able to reproducibly get the prints I want without the feeling that I have been wandering through a maze.
  
  In the process of installing RedRiver (RR) ICC profiles, I came across information of how to use the Media Type dropdown as opposed to the ICC profile dropdown. RR points out that the Media Type is a partial listing of Canon paper types (when using a Canon printer) and some other media types. RR points out that you will not see any other Media Types in this drop down. I suspect that is because Canon ICC are not in the Library in the usual place for profiles and are imbedded in part of the package Canon installs with its driver. RR gives explicit instructions for what Media Type to select for any paper they make and how to select the correct ICC profile.
  
  Red River, unlike Canon, has a lot of excellent unambiguous instructions for using various papers.
  
  One of the confusing things when printing is wrestling with the dialog boxes before clicking on the print button, which then in C1 brings you to a somewhat redundant set of drop-downs before you can actually print. Same with other programs.
  
  I find there is little difference between printer and C1 controlled color managment (if you choose the correct media and ICC), but do like the control I get using the C1 managed approach.

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