Duplicate layer in same image
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I would like to have the ability to duplicate a layer (both mask + adjustments). To my knowledge it is only possible to reapply a mask from another layer, whereas duplicating and reusing the entire layer is not possible.
Usecase.
The usecase would e.g. be when burning or dodging with gradients. Today it is only possible to have one gradient in a layer, so if I want additional gradients (for burn), I need to create a new layer. It would speed up the process if possible to duplicate a layer and only redo the direction of the gradient.
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I would love to have this option as well.
I want to to duplicate some layers like gradient and radial, like what you can do in Lightroom by right click on the filter and it gives you a duplicate option with the exact same settings, then I can move and reposition the filter. That would save so much time
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The available option today is to copy to clipboard and choose the layer(s) you want.
Then create a Clone variant of the image and paste the layers to it from the clipboard.
The order of copy to clipboard and create the clone variant do not matter so you can choose the step order that you feel most comfortable with.
With the copied Layers now being added to the target variant when using V20 rather than replacing what was there (as in V12) this simple process should give you what you need today and save a few seconds per image.
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@SFA
You cannot copy layers from an image to itself directly via the clipboard.
You have to take detour via a different image, only then you can duplicate layers.
Deselecting any layers you don't want to have duplicated, adds a further step.
What you are suggesting is clearly a workaround with the usual downsides (more steps required, unwanted side effects, not intuitive, etc.).
In any event, what Lovgretphoto really seems to be wanting is the ability to have more than one linear or gradient per layer. Maybe Lovgretphoto wants more but the use case description does not call for more.
The (sensible!) request to have more than one application of a linear/radial mask per layer has been made before quite a while ago, and also more recently.
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@Class A
I understand the potential limitations and the mismatch with the request as presented. Nevertheless the process I outlined does work and is available today for anyone who really, really needs the functionality. Note that the restriction is related to copy a layer back to the SAME variant not a different variant of the same source image.
Personally I would not see much use for it in my editing and I'm not convinced that the second or two it would take for a regular user of the process is that much time to deliver the result.
Actually in my past experiences with application where duplication was possible I rarely felt that it saved time compared to creating afresh. But maybe that was just down to my way of working.
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I have hoped for this functionality to be added for years. The advantage that I see is being able to compare the adjustments made on one layer with the same, but slightly altered, adjustments on a second layer. Being able to toggle between the two layers in the one image is far more efficient than switching between cloned variants. I guess the reason that this frustrates me is that I am so accustomed to being able to this with adjustment layers in Photoshop and other image editors.
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Terry,
Toggling layers on an off is great but I'm not sure it is always more efficient than comparing two selected variants either side by side in the Viewer or by using the arrow keys to switch between them.
One way to do what wish at the layer level is described above.
Considering only a single layer (for simplicity).
Create your first adjustment layer.
Make a cloned variant. Modify the layer as required.. Now combine the two layer onto one variant - either one of the existing variants or a third version if preferred. That gives two layers that can be toggled.
As copying a layer to a the variant form which it has been derived is specifically excluded in the current copy and paste functionality I assume there are some technical concerns or complications to doing such a thing that make it challenging and perhaps not such an effective use of development resources given that relatively simple options to achieve the same result in a different way appear to be possible.
Of course all of that is subject to the the results of the great debate about whether layers should be additional to or replace existing layers when using the clipboard concept and, presumably, how the final decisions about that might then influence the concept of duplicating layers for a variant.
Or maybe that consideration is actually the other way round? Duplication decisions influencing the copy and paste process?
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Let's be simple: duplicate a layer+mask+settings in one specific image with a right-click should be implemented in this software! So obvious.
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This IS simple. Say a create a radial mask, and do a little lightening and add clarity and contrast to an area I want to draw the eye to. And let’s say I have three areas where I want to do that. NOW I have draw the radial AND make any adjustments in the radial three times.
I want to draw the radial, make the adjustments, and then just copy that radial and drag it to the two other areas. This is ideal for dodging and burning, and it is frustrating to have to start from scratch for each area,
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Create your first Layer.
Copy to clipboard.
Now create a Cloned variant.
Paste from the clipboard for as many additional new layers as you need to add.
Rename the layers for uniqueness.
Move the masks as required.
This may not be widely useful for Heal and Clone layer types but should be usable for others.
When done, is required, delete the intermediate layers no longer needed.
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Thank you for your prompt reply.
surely you can see that that does not streamline anyone’s work flow.
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Ed,
Firstly the suggestion was intended to offer you a way to achieve what you want today rather than waiting for some amount of time for a possible future consideration of the suggestion.
Secondly it's potentially no more than 4 or five keystrokes - assuming the naming would be desirable in any case.
Copy from your first layer that has the gradient you require.
F8 (On Windows, possibly the same on Mac) to create the clone variant.
Select the new variant.
Paste twice to get 2 additional layers.
Maybe a 6th keystroke to delete the original variant with just one layer if you choose to.
Now if you already have a stack of other layer adjustments things might take a little longer and you might want to adapt the suggested steps somewhat but otherwise I am not sure there would be much difference in the streamlining concept.
Unless you were applying the same process to a large number of images in a batch.
Then the streamlining aspect may be influenced by the nature of you subject matter and shoot set up.
Studio set up product shoots might well allow for multiple exactly the same adjustments across large number of images with not additional adjustments.
Wedding maybe not that consistent. If anything more than copy and paste is required - i.e. adjustments to the settings and changes to both position and other aspects of the gradient/mask - then it may be that saving the edit adjustments as a "Style" and recreating each each gradient as required is more efficient in many situations than copy and change.
But of course your perception may well be different.
For what it's worth there are some regular occasions where I use the copy and paste option on a single layer (rarely with regular use of multiple similar gradient layers however) across large numbers of images and copy/paste/move/adjust works well provided the composition and positioning of the problem subject is reasonably consistent as well as the edit adjustment required. However sometime simply saving the adjustment settings as a style and creating the layers individually is more effective in a number of ways.
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There are two different use cases:
- multiple gradients (parametric masks) in a single layer.
- duplicating layers within an image
Both the initial request by Lovgretphoto and the follow ups by FirstName LastName and Ed Bartholemy request #1 above. This request makes a lot of sense but one has to bear in mind that in these case all gradients (radial or linear) in a layer would share the same adjustment parameters, e.g. they same exposure boost (or similar).
Terry Lane requests #2 above. I find the idea of having the ability to duplicate a layer justifiable as well, since this would allow one to use a layer as a starting point for a new one and then maintain different adjustments for various gradients.
I don't think that the motivation of comparing different adjustment variations is a good one. Variants serve that purpose already.
As to the workarounds that have been described, they all cause more work than should be necessary. They work as hacks in lieu of a proper solution but should not be regarded as adequate solutions to a problem.
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I'd like this feature, too, for various editing reasons.
A simple hotkey (one keystroke) seems like a far quicker way to get results than the workarounds offered here.
Not sure why there's so much pushback?
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Having recently transitioned from Lightroom, this is one thing Lightroom does better. A simple right click and choosing duplicate allows instant copy of the mask with all its settings. This is particularly useful with portraits when making adjustments to one eye and applying to another. I agree with above - why such pushback to implement something that's logical and straightforward.
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use styles to temporary advantage
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Hi,
Why this feature request is "Completed"? I cannot see anywhere in C1 "Duplicate layer" option.
It would be great to have that feature. This would be also very helpful during style creation process. All adjustments for style have to be on one layer and when I want to create very similar adjustments (style) but with a little bit different "Color balance" for example I have to manually copy other adjustments (I know that I can user variants but this is overwhelming solution for my simple need).
Do you have any plans for implement that simple feature (it can be implemented as an additional menu item on right mouse click on layer) or it is already implemented but I cannot find it?
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"Completed" means that the suggestion has been passed on for the attention of the Product Managers. It may or may not have been implemented, even though some significant amount of time may have passed since the original request was created.
So far as I know it is not yet possible to duplicate a complete layer with all settings within C1.
In terms of the way that C1 works I am not sure the desired results could be obtained in ALL potential usage scenarios without a major rethinking of some internal code or some steps in the duplication process that might result in just as much effort as using available approaches working with existing functionality.
However, it is really only the developers that can comment on such matters but, historically, C1 is not a company that engages in a lot of public discussion about future plans.
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Well... Two years later, a lot of interesting new stuff in C1, but still nothing regarding this very simple feature: right click in layers tab, duplicate layer (mask+adjustments), and that's it.
So obvious on Photoshop and Affinity Photo which use the same layer/mask principle.
I need that every single day, it's so boring...0
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