What is the sample size of the Color Picker Tool?
In my experience, even working with brand new Gretag charts, single pixel sample is a waste of time.
Much better to be 3x3 or 5x5 pixels. In an ideal world, to have 10x10 as well as the other two.
...to have the choice as in PS CS6.
So, just wondering what it is in C1?
Thanks.
D.
Much better to be 3x3 or 5x5 pixels. In an ideal world, to have 10x10 as well as the other two.
...to have the choice as in PS CS6.
So, just wondering what it is in C1?
Thanks.
D.
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I'm also curious, thanks for bringing this up. 0 -
> In an ideal world, to have 10x10 as well as the other two.
in an ideal world you can do as in RPP - select any arbitrary rectangular area (that shall work for WB setting too) and get a simult. read out (averaged) in multiple colorspaces... and not in one at a time but in (if you select so) your proof option, LAB and HSV/HSB/HSL variety.0 -
Thanks for the reply.
What's RRP?
Do I take it that the default sample size is 1x1?
Thanks again.
D.0 -
[quote="Dinarius" wrote:
What's RRP?
a simple (it is not LR/C1-like) raw converter for OSX...0 -
Thanks for the reply.
Though don't quite understand how the workaround works in C1 8.
How do I make the selection?
Thanks.
D.0 -
I wonder too how the picker(s) works regarding the colors / the number of pixels they pick. I was rarely satisfied with the color which was actually picked in the advanced color editor. 0 -
[quote="BeO" wrote:
I wonder too how the picker(s) works regarding the colors / the number of pixels they pick. I was rarely satisfied with the color which was actually picked in the advanced color editor.
Are you using it at 100%?
Grant0 -
That's a good question, I don't remember, forgot which image it was I struggeled the most. Can't reproduce either on an arbitrary image. What I remember is that I often had to rotate the selected piece of color cake by a good 30 degree or so.
The color editors are very powerful tools, like them much, but I have to go through a lot of "trial and error" to achieve what I want almost each time I used it. I just didn't yet reach the state where I have figured out my own "best practice", and this is partly due to a lack of understanding how this tool actually works, on a detailed level; picking the color(s) is part of it.
Cheers
BeO0 -
Had it confirmed via online Support that the colour picker sample size is 3x3.
They said that a selection of sizes (like in Photoshop) existed in earlier versions of C1, but that 3x3 was now viewed as the best average/compromise.
D.0 -
[quote="Dinarius" wrote:
They said that a selection of sizes (like in Photoshop) existed in earlier versions of C1, but that 3x3 was now viewed as the best average/compromise.
Adobe has actually increased the max sample size of the Photoshop eyedropper from 5x5 (circa 2000) up to the current max of 101x101. You would think C1's authors would get a clue from that.0 -
[quote="PhaseoneUser40673" wrote:
[quote="Dinarius" wrote:
They said that a selection of sizes (like in Photoshop) existed in earlier versions of C1, but that 3x3 was now viewed as the best average/compromise.
Adobe has actually increased the max sample size of the Photoshop eyedropper from 5x5 (circa 2000) up to the current max of 101x101. You would think C1's authors would get a clue from that.
Yes, but about what?
Grant0 -
It's obviously 1x1 and it's not enough even with modern low-noise cameras.
Second problem with Color Editor is to small Color Wheel with too wide area selection resulting in very difficult correction of adjacent colours 'cause wide selection with trial&error 1x1 picker is nearly impossible without many interations.
For instance i want to correct some face detail colours on picture with wooden table under tungsten lamps or brick wall etc. - it's very difficult without masks 'cause narrowest selection of reds include too wide spectrum.0 -
Why do you say it's obviously 1x1?
Having said that, I agree with you. 😊 Even on a brand new X-Rite Colour Checker, the samples vary too much on a given patch.
That said, here is the entire text of their reply to me...
"Hi - the size is exactly what you have also found best - 3 x 3. Based on our developpers best experience and the need from our trusted Capture One users we had several years ago different sizes you could choose between - we have however found 3 x 3 covers 99% what is needed.
Thanks for asking and enjoy Capture One
Phase One"
I would agree with them that 3x3 would cover most situations - certainly if you were only using a colour checker. But, to have the option of larger sizes would be nice too.
D.0 -
Hello Dinarius
For colour-critical use of a color picker tool, try PS. Select the area of interest and then filter (blur+average) to get a life-size selection of uniform, averaged color. Perhaps creative use of Cap1 could achieve the same effect?
Just a thought.
Peter0 -
Peter,
Yes, CS6 is an option for.
However, I'm trying to keep as much as possible within a C1 workflow - hence my concerns with the Color Picker Tool.
Ideally, I'd something like 1x1, 3x3, 10x10, 25x25. Just askin'! 😎
D.0 -
[quote="Peter" wrote:
For colour-critical use
P1 insults (you may suggest an alternative defintion) the users by offering LAB readouts for $6K in ( http://captureoneblog.com/capture-one-c ... announced/ , "...LAB Color read out for precise verification of colors...") in C1 v8 CHE ... unless they bring this feature into regular C1 editions... so unless you shell $6K you do not need precise verification, the new motto of the raw converter 😎 ... "C1 - you don't need a precision unless you pay for it" 😂0 -
[quote="deejjjaaaa" wrote:
[quote="Peter" wrote:
For colour-critical use
P1 insults (you may suggest an alternative defintion) the users by offering LAB readouts for $6K in ( http://captureoneblog.com/capture-one-c ... announced/ , "...LAB Color read out for precise verification of colors...") in C1 v8 CHE ... unless they bring this feature into regular C1 editions... so unless you shell $6K you do not need precise verification, the new motto of the raw converter 😎 ... "C1 - you don't need a precision unless you pay for it" 😂
Or .....
You don't really need absolute colour precision if you are not finding a need to pay for it.
If you need it, in the very specific context of the product, then it may well look like pretty good value.
Grant0 -
[quote="SFA" wrote:
[quote="deejjjaaaa" wrote:
[quote="Peter" wrote:
For colour-critical use
P1 insults (you may suggest an alternative defintion) the users by offering LAB readouts for $6K in ( http://captureoneblog.com/capture-one-c ... announced/ , "...LAB Color read out for precise verification of colors...") in C1 v8 CHE ... unless they bring this feature into regular C1 editions... so unless you shell $6K you do not need precise verification, the new motto of the raw converter 😎 ... "C1 - you don't need a precision unless you pay for it" 😂
Or .....
You don't really need absolute colour precision if you are not finding a need to pay for it.
If you need it, in the very specific context of the product, then it may well look like pretty good value.
Grant
from donationware (RPP) to payware (Iridient or ACR) nobody so far come w/ the brilliant idea that you need to pay $6K to get a a simple LAB readout in your converter...0 -
Deejjaa,
$6k is the price fora special edition of Capture One 8 software dedicated to the Cultural Heritage community: museums, libraries, archives and other cultural heritage organizations.
and not for an optional color readout.
Edit: removed my disagreement regarding the style of deejjaas posts in this thread as I noticed that I violated forum rule 13.
Cheers,
BeO0 -
[quote="BeO" wrote:
Deejjaa,
$6k is the price fora special edition of Capture One 8 software dedicated to the Cultural Heritage community: museums, libraries, archives and other cultural heritage organizations.
and not for an optional color readout.
you perfectly understand what I mean my mocking P1 for withholding a LAB readouts from regular edition of C1... to not include in a software working with colors ability to have simple readouts in LAB and HSV/HSL/HSB type of spaces is simply illogical... even Adobe yielded (but being Adobe they provide only integer LAB readouts in ACR)0
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