Luminous Landscape Video
Luminous Landscape have released a video tutorial series for Capture one Pro7
Just in case you weren't aware 😊
Just in case you weren't aware 😊
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I bought it.
Very good so far.
Not too dry and technical, but highly informative all the same. 7 hours! I'm about a third of the way in.0 -
I've nearly finished it. I've only been using CO for a short while and it was very good to see the UI customised so much. I learnt a few nice tips.
CH21 - is very confusing for people. They are selecting soft proof space, not working space, you would rarely choose pro photo as an output space as it is the same as your working space. The working colour space of Capture One is pro photo not AdobeRGB I would have thought. The settings in the soft proof drop down do not change the working space, only the soft proof viewing space. They seem to get in a muddle here.
CH22 - they pick the undesirable skin tone instead of the desirable skin tone when doing the Uniformity example. This is the opposite to how you would use the tool.0 -
[quote="sizzlingbadger" wrote:
I've nearly finished it. I've only been using CO for a short while and it was very good to see the UI customised so much. I learnt a few nice tips.
CH21 - is very confusing for people. They are selecting soft proof space, not working space, you would rarely choose pro photo as an output space as it is the same as your working space. The working colour space of Capture One is pro photo not AdobeRGB I would have thought. The settings in the soft proof drop down do not change the working space, only the soft proof viewing space. They seem to get in a muddle here.
CH22 - they pick the undesirable skin tone instead of the desirable skin tone when doing the Uniformity example. This is the opposite to how you would use the tool.
Thank you for your clear and concise comments.
Regarding internal working space: I believe Adobe Camera Raw has ProPhoto as documented working space. As far as I know Capture One has no internal working space in the sense of ICC definitions but a formal statement does not exist.0 -
[quote="Paul_Steunebrink" wrote:
Regarding internal working space: I believe Adobe Camera Raw has ProPhoto as documented working space. As far as I know Capture One has no internal working space in the sense of ICC definitions but a formal statement does not exist.
I do not know if this can be considered a sort of formal statement but I do remember that in the previous LL Video Tutorials Series (for Capture One 5), Walter Borchenko said that the working color space used for editing by CO is the embedded camera profile, giving the reasons thereof.0 -
I thought that I read (on Phase Ones web site) that the working color space is dictated by what is selected in your output recipe. I guess if no recipe is defined/selected C1 defaults to ProPhoto RGB. Is this the case or am I not understanding how C1 handles colors spaces? 0 -
[quote="Steven48" wrote:
I thought that I read (on Phase Ones web site) that the working color space is dictated by what is selected in your output recipe. I guess if no recipe is defined/selected C1 defaults to ProPhoto RGB. Is this the case or am I not understanding how C1 handles colors spaces?
I do not think that if the output recipe says for instance sRGB that will be the working color space for editing.0 -
How do you not have space in C1, or we work in space prophoto, adobe ... or you work in the area of ​​the device, or you work in "Phase one no color. .. "I do not understand! images are processed in an input space (body) and displayed in a workspace, rgb, cmyk .... ☹️
Merci
What I mean is that C1 treats raw images with the profile selected in the "basic characteristics" entry and its images are displayed on the screen depending on the workspace selected in options Release.
LR opens the images in "Melissa" a profile based Prophoto with gamma "corrected" to 2.2 instead of 1.8, ACR can manage the images in Prophoto, Adobe 98, sRGB, and both allow display in a profile based on the DCP case. Two different approaches, each with their own advantage and disadvantage! 😉0 -
Having used NX2, Ps5 and 6, DxO, Photomatix over the last few years, I purchased CO7 and find image processing excellent. What I find difficult is understanding the logic of file management: Catalogue, Sessions, Folders etc.
Does the Lula video adress this well?
If it does, it will well be worth the $ as I am confounded by CO7 file organization logic.0 -
The first few videos cover sessions, catalogs and file management. They also go through virtual management tools like albums, projects and groups (which work very much like Aperture which was great news to me as I loved the power of Apertures virtual management and really missed it in Lightroom)
Overall the video is pretty good. I'm sure there will still be many people with more detailed questions after watching it. There are a few mistakes but they are fairly obvious so shouldn't cause any real confusion. (e.g. they kept reading out the red, green and luminance values instead of the RGB values when demoing the color readout pins)
David from Phase One did correct a few of their mistakes but did a good job of not interrupting for every single one which would have probably broken the flow of the conversations.0 -
The camera icc profiles are not a colour space. icc profiles are used to map from one space to another. In this case from the camera colour space which is a device specific space and is non-linear or "warped". They are also used to map to monitors and printers etc (again usually non-linear "warped" colour spaces)
The recipe space would also not really be suitable as a working colour space as it can be very small in some cases (sRGB) and the very fact it is selectable in the soft proofing mode would lead me to believe it has to be mapped from the internal working space so could not be the same.
The camera working space is also not suitable for working in, it is not a normalised (linear) space and is also limited in size. The working colour space must be large enough to contain the camera colour space for many different models. It also has to be large enough to allow you to modify saturation and hue and obtain colours outside of the original camera colour space limitation. It also has to be a normalised (linear) colour space so that editing tools will function correctly.
When you add 5% Red 5% Green 5% Blue in a colour editing tool (curves for example) you will expect overall saturation to change but the overall hue to remain the same, i.e each channel is equal in sensitivity, this would not be the case in a camera (device) colour space. (this is a very simplified view but gets the point across hopefully)
Adobe ACR (Lightroom) uses a bastardised version ProPhoto (it has a 2.2 Gamma) called Melissa after one of the original developers. Apple didn't publish the colour space for Aperture but it is widely believed it is ProPhoto especially as the application can edit and output files in that space if required.
Maybe someone from Phase One can enlighten us all further ?0
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