Can CO8 extract native RAW from DNG?
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I'm thinking of switching from Lightroom to Capture One due to the fact that I'm shooting Fujifilm X-series cameras. The problem I have is, I've got over 7,000 images in LR, converted to DNG. Please note: I ALWAYS store the original RAW as part of the DNG (so yes it's twice the size). I always knew there will come a day that I'll be glad I did it 😊
So my question to the forum...Is CO8 intelligent enough to know that I've embedded the original RAW and hence extract it accordingly upon import? -OR- do I need to use the DNG Converter, to strip out all the RAF (RAW) files then re-import into CO8?? Needless to say I would prefer if CO8 can do this without an intermediate step but I can't find any documentation to suggest the same...
Any advice will be greatly appreciated.
Jaco
I'm thinking of switching from Lightroom to Capture One due to the fact that I'm shooting Fujifilm X-series cameras. The problem I have is, I've got over 7,000 images in LR, converted to DNG. Please note: I ALWAYS store the original RAW as part of the DNG (so yes it's twice the size). I always knew there will come a day that I'll be glad I did it 😊
So my question to the forum...Is CO8 intelligent enough to know that I've embedded the original RAW and hence extract it accordingly upon import? -OR- do I need to use the DNG Converter, to strip out all the RAF (RAW) files then re-import into CO8?? Needless to say I would prefer if CO8 can do this without an intermediate step but I can't find any documentation to suggest the same...
Any advice will be greatly appreciated.
Jaco
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For everyone else...official response from Phase One... Jaco,
I am sorry but Capture One can only support the Native RAW format or the Adobe DNG. It cannot extract or read a RAW file within the DNG.
Using the DNG will lose much of the benefits of the RAW as some data is stripped out in the conversion to DNG.
Please use the original Fuji RAW format.
Kind Regards,
Phase One Support0 -
Absolutely - drinking the DNG Koolaid that Adobe serves will generally create more problems than it solves.
Stick with what comes out of the camera.0 -
[quote="Digital Transitions, Doug" wrote:
Absolutely - drinking the DNG Koolaid that Adobe serves will generally create more problems than it solves.
Stick with what comes out of the camera.
this is different - in this case nobody is asking P1 to work with the info converted to DNG - but to extract "what comes out of the camera" which was stored in a documented way inside DNG (the original raw file) - nothing is different from the case of EIP here...0 -
and not only that - in a situation when P1/C1 is competing against Adobe/LR, supporting DNG (converted or in this case with the original raw file stored intact, as a whole inside) is going after Adobe's customers - which is what P1 shall do...
it does not expose your (P1) customers to Adobe more than it is already just because Adobe works the same way with original raw files (Adobe's raw conversion by definition is the same for the original raw files and for converted DNG files, provided that version of ACR/LR and Adobe DNG converter are sync'd - that's how they designed their code)...
neither C1 can fully interpret Adobe LR/ACR paramters nor Adobe can full interpret P1's C1 parameters - so this part is non issue and supporting DNG for those potential customers who were stupid enough to remove their original raw files is simply a business decision to try to go after a big chunk of markeshare... it is not the same as camera manufacturers not using DNG, for a raw converter manufacturer (or for software business of P1) to not support DNG is simply stupid.0 -
[quote="deejjjaaaa" wrote:
... going after Adobe's customers - which is what P1 shall do...
...potential customers who were stupid enough to remove their original raw files...
...to not support DNG is simply stupid.
troll much?0 -
[quote="Phase one" wrote:
Using the DNG will lose much of the benefits of the RAW as some data is stripped out in the conversion to DNG.
This simply is not true. DNG conversions provide every single bit of image data to Capture One that the original Raw provides - nothing that Capture One can use fails to make the journey.[quote="Digital Transitions, Doug" wrote:
Absolutely - drinking the DNG Koolaid that Adobe serves will generally create more problems than it solves.
OK Doug - quantify that sweeping and unfounded statement, please. And stick to problems caused by DNG rather than by Capture One's DNG shortcomings...0 -
[quote="NNN634347938777631690" wrote:
trolll much?
You do understand that he's right, don't you?
Maybe "troll" means something different on your planet, but when a post is right on the money, it could hardly be less of a troll post.0 -
[quote="Keith Reeder" wrote:
[quote="NNN634347938777631690" wrote:
trolll much?
You do understand that he's right, don't you?
Maybe "troll" means something different on your planet, but when a post is right on the money, it could hardly be less of a troll post.
As a customer any one is perfectly right when stating which products he desires from a Company , not so when he define stupid the Company for not sharing the same line of thinking.0 -
This simply is not true. DNG conversions provide every single bit of image data to Capture One that the original Raw provides
Keith, what you are saying is simply not true.
DNG has many short comings and does not provide "every single bit of image date". A RAW file is much more then just the pixel information. If it only included this information, then you would be right.
A RAW file is much more dynamic and carries complex information unique to the manufactures design of the camera. This is why every Nikon or Canon RAW file needs separate support for each camera.
A DNG is generic and certainly does strip away much of the complexity a manufacture has worked hard to introduce, squeezing every last drop of quality the camera can deliver.
The OP's question was answered correctly by support. We can support the Native RAW of their camera and, as that was embedded into their initial DNG (a bit different from an EIP as it is then 2 separate files in 1) it can be extracted and they have found their solution.
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Closing this thread here.
It is about opinions rather then facts.
We urge anyone reading this thread to focus on the OP's initial question and the related answer, not the opinions regarding what a DNG is/is not.0
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