Supported Pentax cameras and lenses
I am using mainly Pentax cameras and lenses for my photography work. My guess is that the people who use Capture One are mainly professionals or advanced photographers. This make me wonder why cameras like Pentax K-30 and Pentax K-01 are not supported by Capture One 7?
The only supported Pentax lenses that have lens profiles are the 31mm. and the kit lens 16-55mm. WR. Strange, I think the kit lens is used mainly by non-pro photographers. What about the rest of Pentax pro and semi-pro lenses?
It cna be interesting to read what others think about this!
The only supported Pentax lenses that have lens profiles are the 31mm. and the kit lens 16-55mm. WR. Strange, I think the kit lens is used mainly by non-pro photographers. What about the rest of Pentax pro and semi-pro lenses?
It cna be interesting to read what others think about this!
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If you want to know what I think then read my comments in the "Update ON DNG Thread" .
But I can tell you that PhaseOne do not give a hoot for us Pentax users where the Raw file is DNG unlike their Lieca DNG users who they favour and must be a even smaller user base worldwide in comparison. And that DNG update is just for the Leica Mono only camera users.[quote="Drew" wrote:
. The Linear DNG is simply a result of supporting the Leica Monochrome cameras.
Gee their must be millions of users of that camera for them to favour it over us Pentax users. 🤬
And don't expect PhaseOne to chip in here except for the standard condescending reply. ☹️0 -
This is curious as Pentax aquired Ricoh and dng raws. Like you I had the problem in C1 version 6 that my ricoh gxr was not supported for the new A16 " zoom kit lens". The A12 modules were already supported but no likelyhood of the A16 as I, seemed to be the only person asking via a support case. I complained again via more support case comments and to my supprise version 7.0 seemed to work for the A16 lens dng raws. This indeed was due to phase one doing something as in version 7.1 preliminary support is officially specified for this lens. (tint setting looks correct but has a "wrong value") Now I am grateful to Phase one for this. So raise more support cases, maybe eventually the K30 will be supported, Phase one made an effort where i was concerned. 0 -
[quote="Raymond4" wrote:
This is curious as Pentax aquired Ricoh and dng raws. Like you I had the problem in C1 version 6 that my ricoh gxr was not supported for the new A16 " zoom kit lens". The A12 modules were already supported but no likelyhood of the A16 as I, seemed to be the only person asking via a support case. I complained again via more support case comments and to my supprise version 7.0 seemed to work for the A16 lens dng raws. This indeed was due to phase one doing something as in version 7.1 preliminary support is officially specified for this lens. (tint setting looks correct but has a "wrong value") Now I am grateful to Phase one for this. So raise more support cases, maybe eventually the K30 will be supported, Phase one made an effort where i was concerned.
You mean if I keep begging them to support it they may oblige me by the time CO8 is out!
The only problem with that is their expensive software which I already own and does not support my camera is now no use to me.
And by the time support arrives for it, if it ever does I will have moved away to something that does support it and will not be in the mood to waste more money on PhaseOne by upgrading, I have already made that mistake!0 -
Looking at the list of ICC profiles apparently supported in V7.1.1 in the Base Characteristics tool tab I can see Pentax K01 generic and K30 generic. (II only looked out of the interest to try to understand a completely different reported problem in the MAC part of the forum.)
Now to me that suggests there is some support. Would that be a wrong assumption? Or are those cameras not the ones you are referring to?
I'm not thinking about a move to Pentax, btw, but rather just wondering what the listed models, across all manufacturers, really implies.
Grant Perkins0 -
[quote="SFA" wrote:
Looking at the list of ICC profiles apparently supported in V7.1.1 in the Base Characteristics tool tab I can see Pentax K01 generic and K30 generic. (II only looked out of the interest to try to understand a completely different reported problem in the MAC part of the forum.)
Now to me that suggests there is some support. Would that be a wrong assumption? Or are those cameras not the ones you are referring to?
I'm not thinking about a move to Pentax, btw, but rather just wondering what the listed models, across all manufacturers, really implies.
Grant Perkins
I could not find it - here is a list of what I found
http://www.phaseone.com/en/Supported-ca ... era=Pentax
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I'm looking at the list of what seems to be available for Pentax in the Base Characteristics tool options in the Colors tab.
ICC profile will normally be the default for the camera identified in the image being viewed but can be changed.
Click on the UP/DOWN arrows t the right of the name field.
The list initially shows the current defaults and then the available "Manufacturers" (Including some 'standard' ICC profiles form Adobe, etc.).
Open up the Pentax list and I see K01 and K30. Whether they are used and look OK I cannot tell - I have no files to try with. However it would seem odd to have an ICC profile and associated Film Profiles if the camera is not supported and not recognized.
No idea about lenses of course that would seem to be a separate issue anyway.
Grant Perkins0 -
[quote="SFA" wrote:
I'm looking at the list of what seems to be available for Pentax in the Base Characteristics tool options in the Colors tab.
Open up the Pentax list and I see K01 and K30. Whether they are used and look OK I cannot tell - I have no files to try with. However it would seem odd to have an ICC profile and associated Film Profiles if the camera is not supported and not recognized.
No idea about lenses of course that would seem to be a separate issue anyway.
Grant Perkins
I have a test file. It can be seen, but not worked on. Session or catalog. View only.0 -
[quote="SteveCase2" wrote:
[quote="SFA" wrote:
I'm looking at the list of what seems to be available for Pentax in the Base Characteristics tool options in the Colors tab.
Open up the Pentax list and I see K01 and K30. Whether they are used and look OK I cannot tell - I have no files to try with. However it would seem odd to have an ICC profile and associated Film Profiles if the camera is not supported and not recognized.
No idea about lenses of course that would seem to be a separate issue anyway.
Grant Perkins
I have a test file. It can be seen, but not worked on. Session or catalog. View only.
Same here! 😁0 -
And here!!.....Just what I have come to expect from PhasOne. ☹️
Chooses the profile but does not display the image for editing! At least the thumbnails are not now displaying without a colour cast, WOW.
Why put the profile in there PhaseOne if you are not going to check if it works!!!
http://www.pbase.com/paulsilkphotography/image/149447073.jpg
Click on a ORF file and it works.
http://www.pbase.com/paulsilkphotography/image/149447072.jpg0 -
Strange.
Out of curiousity I downloaded a K-30 DNG test file from DPReview. The ISO100 zip example.
Imported it (direct from desktop but I can't think why that would matter) into a dedicated session in C1 (just to make it easier to tidy up later) and as far as I can tell everything seems to work. I have a tried a few tools and they are all doing something. I've not tried everything of course but then I seem to be getting more than you guys without having to do anything at all.
The lens description display in the EXIF screen is a little truncated but that seems to be a normal situation with long names - I suspect a display/scaling issue related to screen resolution or something. I minor inconvenience once in a while.
So, what might I be doing differently to get this result? Or have I entirely missed something in your posts that makes my check irrelevant?
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[quote="Paul Silk" wrote:
Why put the profile in there PhaseOne if you are not going to check if it works!!!
Maybe because it is not even "preliminary" ? 😉
We have no official support yet, but as you can see, small steps are being taken.0 -
What you are missing Grant is that DPR imported the image into Lightroom converting it into a Adobe DNG, Adobe's converted DNG is not the same as a Pentax DNG. 0 -
[quote="Christian Gr" wrote:
[quote="Paul Silk" wrote:
Why put the profile in there PhaseOne if you are not going to check if it works!!!
Maybe because it is not even "preliminary" ? 😉
We have no official support yet, but as you can see, small steps are being taken.
Christian I get confused and vexed about PhaseOnes thinking, the K-30 has been out nearly a year and is a popular camera and no support, yet you support the Adobe DNG file of Pentax MX1 which has been out a few weeks!
I know of no one who has one of these cameras yet and doubt they have sold a large amount in just over three weeks, pehaps a staff member of PhaseOne brought one and hence the quick support for it.
Does baby steps mean maybe in another years time for the K-30?
Edit PS...see my latest post and you may learn something. 😊0 -
[quote="Paul Silk" wrote:
[quote="Christian Gr" wrote:
[quote="Paul Silk" wrote:
Why put the profile in there PhaseOne if you are not going to check if it works!!!
Maybe because it is not even "preliminary" ? 😉
We have no official support yet, but as you can see, small steps are being taken.
Christian I get confused and vexed about PhaseOnes thinking, the K-30 has been out nearly a year and is a popular camera and no support, yet you support the Adobe DNG file of Pentax MX1 which has been out a few weeks!
I know of no one who has one of these cameras yet and doubt they have sold a large amount in just over three weeks, pehaps a staff member of PhaseOne brought one and hence the quick support for it.
Does baby steps mean maybe in another years time for the K-30?
Christian,
I also fail to understand - who is your market beside professional photographers? I guess these are keen photographers or semi pro (like me for example) - this kind of photographers use semi pro cameras like K-30 and maybe K-01 (which by the way is discontinued by now). The cameras world is a very dynamic and fast market.
Pentax in Japan has a nice market share and it is growing world wide.
Is it so difficult to react to the market needs?
Is it so difficult to stay up-dated?0 -
[quote="Christian Gr" wrote:
[quote="Paul Silk" wrote:
Why put the profile in there PhaseOne if you are not going to check if it works!!!
Maybe because it is not even "preliminary" ? 😉
We have no official support yet, but as you can see, small steps are being taken.
Christian after a little experimenting I have found.
Some of the K-30 files it will recognise and apply the K-30 profile and allow you to edit it and a fine job it does except you cannot export it as it does not recognise the raw file.
As here..notice the cpu and ram usage.
http://www.pbase.com/paulsilkphotography/image/149450462/original.jpg
Now to the fly in the ointment, if you introduce a K-30 file it does not like and there is a lot of them ( and there is no rhyme or reason to this) then it keeps trying to generate a preview add infinitum and locks everything up and cpu maxes out, ram also maxes out if you have more than a few images. Here I was using five images in a session
As here
http://www.pbase.com/paulsilkphotography/image/149450449.jpg
Now I tried it with a catalog of 500 images and that catalog just locks up everytime you open it because it is continually tying to generate previews everytime you open the catalog and the cpu and ram maxes out.
So if a user imports a catalog of mixed files and it contains some K-30 files then it is going to lock up every time it is opened.
Also to compound the matter you could used to convert them with the Adobe DNG converter and use The DNG neutral profile to edit them, now in 7.1.1 it will not export those converted K-30 files with the DNG profile either ..well done PhaseOne, now I cannot use it at all!
In these circumstances maybe you should have done one of two thing in ver 7.1.1
1- made sure the profile worked when including it or at least made sure it did not have any adverse effects on the program.
2- not put the profile in there at all.
PS as there is no official support for it there is no point in letting support know about it is there. 😊0 -
[quote="Paul Silk" wrote:
What you are missing Grant is that DPR imported the image into Lightroom converting it into a Adobe DNG, Adobe's converted DNG is not the same as a Pentax DNG.
Hi Paul,
You could be right and there is a comments about the comparative processing of Studio files that suggests that conversion follows their standard 'test' routine.
However I have not so far read anything that suggests that the RAW download zip files (on my case one of the non-studio shots) as not the camera's "RAW" DNG files.
I found I could EXPORT the file OK but Process consistently failed at what seemed to be the start of the process. That said my quick test lash-up may have been a poor basis for process testing.
However it seems the focus of the thread has moved on in a way that leaves me unable to contribute anything of even vague value at this point so I'll sit back and follow with interest.
Grant Perkins0 -
[quote="SFA" wrote:
[quote="Paul Silk" wrote:
What you are missing Grant is that DPR imported the image into Lightroom converting it into a Adobe DNG, Adobe's converted DNG is not the same as a Pentax DNG.
Hi Paul,
You could be right and there is a comments about the comparative processing of Studio files that suggests that conversion follows their standard 'test' routine.
However I have not so far read anything that suggests that the RAW download zip files (on my case one of the non-studio shots) as not the camera's "RAW" DNG files.
I found I could EXPORT the file OK but Process consistently failed at what seemed to be the start of the process. That said my quick test lash-up may have been a poor basis for process testing.
However it seems the focus of the thread has moved on in a way that leaves me unable to contribute anything of even vague value at this point so I'll sit back and follow with interest.
Grant Perkins
The main point when I have started this thread is - lack of support from Phase One to owners of Pentax system cameras - which is very poor - and this is shame!0 -
[quote="ronyzmbow" wrote:
The main point when I have started this thread is - lack of support from Phase One to owners of Pentax system cameras - which is very poor - and this is shame!
Very true, but believe me when I say you are not the first to have brought it up, I brought it up 9 months ago as well as aprroching support about it, as have others, have you logged your complaint with support ?
Normally we get no joy at all, I suppose we should be pleased with Christians comments of "small steps" after all this while. 🙄0 -
It is a shame because when Phase One was more committed to fully developing Capture One, the support for Pentax cameras was very good with camera profiles that were far more accurate than what Adobe was providing. That started to change by the time the K20D came out as Lightroom became more competitive in IQ and NR, and the profiling improved.
The failure to support the K-01/K30 is shameful. Many of us who do at least some professional work have these cameras (the K-01 in my case) as a back up because we use some MF lenses and the focus peaking is excellent, and the need for providing an occasional video (especially with the K-01) is adequate - which cannot be said for the other Pentax units.
I'd be interested in CO v.7 - and might trial it on my K20D and Q files, but it won't be purchased until the K-01/K30 support arrives. It is difficult to take Capture One seriously as a Pentax user when two of the most popular cameras - even among the higher level users - are not supported.0 -
[quote="Jim62" wrote:
It is a shame because when Phase One was more committed to fully developing Capture One, the support for Pentax cameras was very good with camera profiles that were far more accurate than what Adobe was providing. That started to change by the time the K20D came out as Lightroom became more competitive in IQ and NR, and the profiling improved.
The failure to support the K-01/K30 is shameful. Many of us who do at least some professional work have these cameras (the K-01 in my case) as a back up because we use some MF lenses and the focus peaking is excellent, and the need for providing an occasional video (especially with the K-01) is adequate - which cannot be said for the other Pentax units.
I'd be interested in CO v.7 - and might trial it on my K20D and Q files, but it won't be purchased until the K-01/K30 support arrives. It is difficult to take Capture One seriously as a Pentax user when two of the most popular cameras - even among the higher level users - are not supported.
1,000,000% correct!0 -
Yeah, we're all on target in our little echo chamber. That was my first post here, and I love the CO interface, but so few of us are left to push the envelope. I can't figure out what prompts the decision to support (Q/MX , but not K-01/K30 which probably share the same formula and qualify as a two-fer).
My best guess is that there is something in the file architecture that is mystifying the engineers enough that the time spent is not worth the volume anticipated. So, some of this is on Pentax for claiming that it has gone the pure DNG route (no native file support) and yet baking the Adobe formula. Even a bit of blame goes to Adobe for claiming to offer a universal open format, but then allowing that claim to be abused.
Note to CO overseers: A lot of us want to restore our confidence in the product. We are volume users who must work efficiently and respond quickly to our clients. We can do that if we are working mostly in one conversion program, and find it inefficient to have to switch back and forth. So, you have lost me as a customer because of a relatively small hole (in my case only 1 of 5 cameras is not supported), but that is enough to tip the balance.0 -
For anyone following this thread and patiently waiting...don't hold your breath.
From a X100s thread in the Mac section.[quote="Drew" wrote:
[quote="Michael231" wrote:
They should be working on this without us asking...
If we only have 5 individuals that request support for the Fuji X100s, but find 200 are asking for Pentax K30, then we need to give priority to the demand of our customers (which has unfortunately not been the case for the K30).
It's that simple.0 -
Just to add my bit and ask a couple of questions.
I have a K-01 and would really like to use CO as I prefer the default settings and general quality of results. It seems difficut to me to believe that my Samsung NX100 is supported properly (which I suspect was bought in far fewer units than the K-01) but there is not even preliminary support for the K-01 itself.
I trialled CO 7 (shortly after it came out with the intention of paying for the upgrade from 6 (which I wouldn't mind doing). But clearly evidence suggests this won't be of much use to me at present and now that the trial period has ended I can't -retry it when one of these incremental upgrades comes out.
So can people confirm where we are with the K-01 at the moment.
Has the colour cast gone completely?
Is it possible to process a K-01 DNG image or not?
Is it possible to generate lens profiles?
Is there any way of getting this forum or Phase One to le me know if/when they finally support these DNG files? I pop back here nearly every week, just in case!
Neil0 -
This is SOOOOO disappointing! 0 -
[quote="NN125462" wrote:
Just to add my bit and ask a couple of questions.
So can people confirm where we are with the K-01 at the moment.
Has the colour cast gone completely?
Is it possible to process a K-01 DNG image or not?
Is it possible to generate lens profiles?
Is there any way of getting this forum or Phase One to le me know if/when they finally support these DNG files? I pop back here nearly every week, just in case!
Neil
No, No and No in answer to your questions. ☹️
Can you imagine how many Pentax users have looked at using CO and then moved on to using something else when seeing the lack of support.
So PhaseOne's policy of support seems self defeating for increasing sales of their product, people do not buy it because their camera is not supported so they move on to another software supplier, so ergo there is no one/very few to request it be supported and the cycle continues.0 -
Paul,
Thanks for you clarification.
And I did raise a support call with Phase One - to make sure that a request for support was formally recorded.
The response - My camera is not supported. But I was expecting as such.
As said by many - disappointing.
Neil0 -
Such a case of actually ignoring customers would never happen in an American company - it will do us all good if CO will be bought by an American company...maybe Google is interested.... 0 -
[quote="ronyzmbow" wrote:
Such a case of actually ignoring customers would never happen in an American company - it will do us all good if CO will be bought by an American company...maybe Google is interested....
Hmm.
I'm not at all sure I agree with your general observations in any respect.0 -
A request for You guys:
If you have any K-01 or K-30 dng's that can't be read in CO, please do the following (in chronological order):
1: Check that it hasn't been through Adobe DNG converter. It has to come from the camera without modifications, otherwise we can't read it in CO. This is very important!
2: Note the settings on the camera used to shoot the image (wb, auto-corrections, exposure values, special compressions and so on)
3: send the raw-file (the .dng) and shoot-data to us in a support case and reference this thread.
Help us help You.0 -
[quote="Christian Gr" wrote:
A request for You guys:
If you have any K-01 or K-30 dng's that can't be read in CO, please do the following (in chronological order):
1-3: ...
Help us help You.
See the screenshots and my downloadable files in the posting:
The support case for C1 v6 was already created in autumn 2012. I am reluctant to upgrade to C1 v7, because I have no information, indication or trust that K-30 DNG files will be (are?) supported. Meanwhile I use LR and make always DNG conversion (mainly to make the embedded preview and its resolution much smaller). You tell me, that Adobe DNG converter is not allowed for C1? That would be a disaster. How to un-Adobe the DNGs?
What does mean "can't be read" for you? My v6 does read, but with totally wrong colors.
Regards, Joseph0
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