Aperture Replacement - LR or C17 Pro
Well with the announcement that Apple Aperture is no longer going to be developed by Apple us Aperture users have to now look for a DAM replacement.
I have recently started using Capture One 7 Pro as my RAW processor but still organizing my photos in Aperture.
Apple and Adobe have made statements that they are going to help Aperture users migrate to Lightroom.
Does Phase One have any plans to create and Aperture to Capture One migration tool ?
Any insight on what enhancements we can expect for Capture One to improve its DAM features ?
I have recently started using Capture One 7 Pro as my RAW processor but still organizing my photos in Aperture.
Apple and Adobe have made statements that they are going to help Aperture users migrate to Lightroom.
Does Phase One have any plans to create and Aperture to Capture One migration tool ?
Any insight on what enhancements we can expect for Capture One to improve its DAM features ?
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I'm in the same boat as you!
I've got video & audio assets in my Aperture archive too...........things just became very complicated.
Cheers,
Chris0 -
My opinion is:
If really Apple and Adobe works on a migration tool (I can't believe it), then its very easy. You can first migrate your library from Aperture to Lightroom.
Lather you can import your Lightroom Catalog to C1 Pro
For Audio/ Video - Media Pro is your tool.0 -
[quote="RobiWan" wrote:
My opinion is:
If really Apple and Adobe works on a migration tool (I can't believe it), then its very easy. You can first migrate your library from Aperture to Lightroom.
Lather you can import your Lightroom Catalog to C1 Pro
For Audio/ Video - Media Pro is your tool.
Migration to Lightroom and co existence with Aperture for those setting that don't translate is quite practical.
Unfortunately it is almost impossible to have adjustments carried over due to the very different nature of adjustments in different programs.0 -
There's no rush for Aperture users to jump anywhere. The current software still works without issue, and will work for quite a long time yet (there's an update coming for 10.10 support). Apple has said that Photos *will* support adjustments and metadata, and that's coming in 6 months or so. Photos looks to have more Aperture DNA than iPhoto DNA to me, so I don't think you'll lose anything by waiting a while and thinking it through. 0 -
[quote="RobiWan" wrote:
My opinion is:
If really Apple and Adobe works on a migration tool (I can't believe it)
They are - both companies are on record to confirm this.0 -
If you mean in the TechCrunch article, that was retracted.
The entire Apple statement was (or at least, the only official comment I've seen):
"With the introduction of the new Photos app and iCloud Photo Library, enabling you to safely store all of your photos in iCloud and access them from anywhere, there will be no new development of Aperture. When Photos for OS X ships next year, users will be able to migrate their existing Aperture libraries to Photos for OS X.†— Apple, Inc.
Can you point to the articles with the Apple comments about Lr?0 -
[quote="Keith Reeder" wrote:
[quote="RobiWan" wrote:
My opinion is:
If really Apple and Adobe works on a migration tool (I can't believe it)
They are - both companies are on record to confirm this.
I've not seen this anywhere. Can you point us to a source? The original TechCrunch reporting has been retracted.0 -
[quote="BobRockefeller" wrote:
[quote="Keith Reeder" wrote:
[quote="RobiWan" wrote:
My opinion is:
If really Apple and Adobe works on a migration tool (I can't believe it)
They are - both companies are on record to confirm this.
I've not seen this anywhere. Can you point us to a source? The original TechCrunch reporting has been retracted.0 -
[quote="meanwhile" wrote:
There's no rush for Aperture users to jump anywhere. The current software still works without issue, and will work for quite a long time yet (there's an update coming for 10.10 support). Apple has said that Photos *will* support adjustments and metadata, and that's coming in 6 months or so. Photos looks to have more Aperture DNA than iPhoto DNA to me, so I don't think you'll lose anything by waiting a while and thinking it through.
The problem is that we now know that Aperture is a dead-end product and who really knows how long it will continue to function and whether "Photos" will have the capabilities that we need in terms of adjustment and asset management capabilities. I do not want to put any more of my photographs into aperture when I suspect that that I will not be able to transfer most of the metadata to the software that I will be using after aperture. It's better to transition now and move on.0 -
[quote="tazthecat" wrote:
[quote="meanwhile" wrote:
There's no rush for Aperture users to jump anywhere. The current software still works without issue, and will work for quite a long time yet (there's an update coming for 10.10 support). Apple has said that Photos *will* support adjustments and metadata, and that's coming in 6 months or so. Photos looks to have more Aperture DNA than iPhoto DNA to me, so I don't think you'll lose anything by waiting a while and thinking it through.
The problem is that we now know that Aperture is a dead-end product and who really knows how long it will continue to function and whether "Photos" will have the capabilities that we need in terms of adjustment and asset management capabilities. I do not want to put any more of my photographs into aperture when I suspect that that I will not be able to transfer most of the metadata to the software that I will be using after aperture. It's better to transition now and move on.
I agree. Apple has severely shaken the confidence of the serious photographer by neglecting Aperture and now ceasing development beyond Yosemite compatibility (but no word on it taking full advantage of Yosemite, I doubt it will). One day there will be an OS update that breaks Aperture and that's the end of the line for it, effectively.
Apple continues to be secretive, which I understand as their business strategy: don't let others steal their good ideas. But a consequence is that serious photographers do not know on any factual basis:- How many of Aperture's adjustments will survive a move to Photos
What capabilities Photos may have that Capture One Pro, Lightroom and others do not
To what extent Apple intends Photos as a Aperture "replacement"
How far Apple will develop Photos in the areas serious photographers care about
Programs such as Aperture are large investments in time in the areas of organization, metadata and image adjustment. The photos themselves (probably the original RAWs) are safe and generally portable. Metadata is portable, for the most part (but not every last tag). The others are not (except for baking in the adjustments and transferring TIFFs). It would be a big decision to continue putting the time required into new photos with Aperture not fully knowing if that time will be wasted.
Photos will not be out until "early 2015" and will be at version 1. Apple's reputation for feature rich version 1s is not good; and that's not a bad thing, they get feedback on the valuable features before they sink time into them. But what it means for us is that "early 2015" is just a glimpse at the future, not the future. It may be version 1.5 or even 2.0 before Photos even has a chance at replacing Aperture. And that assumes Apple intends for it to be - we don't know that.
Can we wait until some time later in 2015 to decide to move if needed? Perhaps, if you don't mind gambling with your time that Photos will replace Aperture for the serious photographer.
I love Apple and have used their products for years and years. I'm an Apple fan with a cylinder Mac Pro, a MacBook Pro Retina, an iPad Air and an iPhone 5. I bought Aperture for $499 when it first came out and have been with it ever since. And I wish Apple made dSLRs, TV sets and maybe even cars. I am not an Apple critic. But I doubt Apple will have a real Aperture replacement before this time next year, if ever. Maybe they see video as the future and still photography as the past.
So I'm going with Capture One Pro starting now. All my new work will go there. Selected old work will get moved and reprocessed. And I plan to blog about the transition at my blog (http://www.bobrockefeller.com). There's an older article there about my first look at Capture One Pro some time ago (maybe preparing for this day), just look under the Photography topic.0 -
Jeffrey Tranberry says:
We’re working on a way for iPhoto and Aperture customers to more easily migrate to Lightroom. As of right now, your best bet is to save any metadata to your files, then import the files directly from disk. (Note: Aperture develop settings aren’t compatible. If you want to preserve the look of your image edits, export rendered versions of your files from Aperture to import to Lightroom)
It seems that Adobe is working on a migration tool or script for Aperture users to migrate to Lr.0 -
For info:
viewtopic.php?f=46&t=165180 -
Thanks, BobRockefeller, for the thoughtful response. I only read the news yesterday, and like many here, have been using Aperture since version 1.0 (I migrated from C13 Pro to Aperture at v1.5).
My primary concern is going to be DAM going forward. C17 Pro is a better tool for my growing interest in time lapse sessions which never really fit into an Aperture or Lightroom catalog methodology, although I could make it work.
My second concern is going to be overall workflow flexibility. Aperture was such a good asset manager that whether the file went through Lightroom, Photoshop, Topaz Labs, Nik, or OnOne, it all worked nicely and I could metatag to my heart's content, thanks to automator and apple scripting. But.... Lightroom and Aperture don't do layers, and C17 Pro does. I wish it could handle my plug-ins, too.
While I have a ton of Lightroom and Aperture presets, I really don't use them much, and if there was an event that called for a very select "look" that a known Lightroom preset could do, Lr5's auto import feature is handy and C17 Pro can have extensive recipes for exporting such that it would be simple to output adjusted jpegs or tiffs form C17 Pro to an auto-import folder and Lr5 could be used to final adjust and output baked goods for consumption.0 -
[quote="jsmcpheeters" wrote:
My primary concern is going to be DAM going forward.
C1's DAM features are not its strongest point. They're not bad, but they're not Aperture. Maybe the intent is for us to use Media Pro? I'd rather see C1's DAM feature improve than to need a separate program.
Lightroom and Aperture don't have layers, per se, but they do allow local adjustments. Is that what you're looking for?0 -
I still think that Aperture had the best if you want to say "Layer Support" as almost everything could have a mask, and multiple of the same adjustment could be added (I think each adjustment could be added up to 5 times). You could find Film grain/borders styles, which then could be stacked, as the masks would be saved when creating styles. The only issue was that the size of the mask was set to the size of the picture used to create it. So a mask created at 24Mpix, when used on a 16Mpix image was cut off, not scaled which would of been nice, but I see the issue. CO7 allows only 10 layers (Masks) which you can do a limited amount of adjustments, which maybe enough because I think they assume you are going go into Photoshop or something to do the final editing.
As far as a DAM goes, I think Aperture also had one of the best. I do not like CO7 sessions and even though purchased CO6, without a Catalog to hold everything never used it. I do use CO7's catalog, because I want everything in one place, I don't want to remember where such and such photo is. That is the purpose of a photo tool. Don't get me started on LR, to me it is a total piece of crap.
The other part that CO7 failed, is exporting an image to an external editor, and adding the image to the catalog at the same time. I do not understand why this is so hard, both Aperture and LR do this by default. Add a stupid check box that does an import after the export. I understand this was not required when CO was sessions only, but that is such a requirement for a catalog system. The other area where CO7 needs some work is to temporaly revert back to the un-edited version. I know they say just create an unedited variant. Well if the image I am looking at is say rated, and I am only looking at that rating, creating a unedited varient won't display it.
Robert0 -
[quote="PhaseoneUser55657" wrote:
The other part that CO7 failed, is exporting an image to an external editor, and adding the image to the catalog at the same time.
This is a significant problem with C1 - you simply need to have a round trip capability for the times you want to go to another tool, such as Photoshop. I hope they are working on that. If they plan to capture some of the Aperture refugees and maybe lure a few Lightroom folks over (I'm looking at you, Fuji X shooters), they need to get round trip working.0 -
[quote="BobRockefeller" wrote:
[quote="PhaseoneUser55657" wrote:
The other part that CO7 failed, is exporting an image to an external editor, and adding the image to the catalog at the same time.
This is a significant problem with C1 - you simply need to have a round trip capability for the times you want to go to another tool, such as Photoshop. I hope they are working on that. If they plan to capture some of the Aperture refugees and maybe lure a few Lightroom folks over (I'm looking at you, Fuji X shooters), they need to get round trip working.
Totally agreed.0
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