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... keeps me using Lightroom

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I'm an original Aperture user and switched the Lightroom only after Apple discontinues Aperture's development. I'm still sad about that because I have never really liked Lightroom - but it's hard to argue that it doesn't work well. And I've felt stuck there mostly because of Lightroom's DAM features.

C1 has better RAW conversions and adjustments, to my eye. But it's DAM features (specifically the catalog) seem spliced on and woefully lacking in features I have come to depend on. I use the catalog and store my images within it (remember, I'm a convert from Aperture) as opposed to making them referenced.

Just for the value in other's opinions and work-arounds, here's my list of features in Lightroom that keep me from switching to C1:


  • Can’t move images between albums. You have to copy and then delete.

  • Deleting an image from the catalog and the drive is something that I struggle to do every time I need to do it. I can't delete from an album (my primary organizational device)

  • No print presets for printer, paper and image size.

  • Stacks are only for variants of the same image; you can't stack arbitrary images. I use this all the time to group images that are going to be a panorama, or a series of portrait images that are very similar.

  • Can’t collapse stacks in a filtered view - what if I want to filter out my rejects (before deleting them), but still collapse stacks?

  • Can’t edit a keyword name and have it propagate to all images using that keyword.

  • Can’t edit the name of color tags - I might want a green to mean 'ready for printing.'

  • No sync to a mobile app. Lightroom has an iOS app and even ON1 Photo RAW has one (Photo Via).
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  • Eric Nepean
    [quote="tenmangu81" wrote:
    [quote="John Doe" wrote:

    This bug was fixed in v10.


    Nope. It doesn't work : the keywords deleted yesterday have reappeared when I opened C1 this morning....

    Strange... I get a different behaviour (works correctly)
    I just opened C1 10.1, opened the test version of my main catalog, deleted a catalog keyword, closed the catalog, closed C1.
    Opened C1, opened the the catalog, the keyword is not in my list of catalog keywords.
    I tried a couple of variations (non hierarchical keyword, back-up catalog) same result.

    Other than not waiting for a long time, have I missed something?
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  • Permanently deleted user
    Do we know where the catalog keywords come from? Are they strictly user created individually? Do they reflect what keywords are found in the metadata (within the DNG or as part of the XMP sidecar) for a given image?
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  • SFA
    Could this possibly be anything vaguely to do with backup strategies?

    Hidden files?

    plist (or similar cache type stuff?)

    It just seem to odd to have such different behaviours from what on the surface appear to be systems with the same technology.


    Grant
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  • Eric Nepean
    [quote="BobRockefeller" wrote:
    Do we know where the catalog keywords come from? Are they strictly user created individually? Do they reflect what keywords are found in the metadata (within the DNG or as part of the XMP sidecar) for a given image?

    I have a catalog that was imported from an Aperture Library. I've played around with the IPTC MetaData, but not done anything with the keywords other than deleting a couple of them.
    It has catalog keywords but no keyword library.

    The images in the aperture library are referenced (also referenced in C1) and have no associated side car file.
    90% of the images have at least one keyword; the keyword structure is hierarchical- about 200-300 keywords organized/connected to 5 base keywords. (Topic,People,Trip,Location,Marker,ApertureAdjustment)

    All these keywords show up in C1 catalog keywords in expected hierarchical fashion.

    These keywords are also present in the C1 v10.1 plist file.

    I conclude that the catalog keywords list is a list of all the keywords found in the images variants of the catalog. Or possibly of the active collection, rather than the catalog - can't verify that right now.

    One more thing has come to mind.

    Some time back, I had a terrible time removing some obsolete keywords from C1. They kept popping up on import (can't remember the other circumstances) even though I had removed them.

    I finally discovered that a small number of images had the obsolete keywords embedded in the JPEG file. When I removed the keywords from the JPEG, the C1 problem disappeared.
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  • Permanently deleted user
    [quote="Eric Nepean" wrote:
    [quote="tenmangu81" wrote:
    [quote="John Doe" wrote:

    This bug was fixed in v10.


    Nope. It doesn't work : the keywords deleted yesterday have reappeared when I opened C1 this morning....

    Strange... I get a different behaviour (works correctly)
    I just opened C1 10.1, opened the test version of my main catalog, deleted a catalog keyword, closed the catalog, closed C1.
    Opened C1, opened the the catalog, the keyword is not in my list of catalog keywords.
    I tried a couple of variations (non hierarchical keyword, back-up catalog) same result.

    Other than not waiting for a long time, have I missed something?


    Eric,

    It has always worked when creating a keyword within C1, then deleting it.
    My problem comes from keywords that were imported together with my Lightroom catalog, 2 years ago. I can't get rid of them, whatever I do.... Actually, they don't appear in the "Keywords" filter of the library (I work in the catalog mode), even when displaying "all images", but they do in the metadata tool, Keyword library -> catalog keywords. The old imported Lightroom keywords are still there, I can't get rid of them, and many are not assigned any longer to any image, as I have erased them from the corresponding images. But they still stay in the "catalog keywords" list !!
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  • John Doe
    Try to "clean" your pictures before importing them, with an EXIF editor such as exiftool.
    Also, check your metadata/XMP settings in CO's preferences.
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  • Permanently deleted user
    [quote="John Doe" wrote:
    Try to "clean" your pictures before importing them, with an EXIF editor such as exiftool.
    Also, check your metadata/XMP settings in CO's preferences.


    Too late, they have been already imported from the Lightroom catalog, with their keywords !! I should have done it before, right, but for my 15,000 images.....
    And yes, I have tried with ExifTool, but it doesn't work. Actually, I don't know where are hidden these unwanted keywords. Maybe somewhere in the catalog...
    As far as my settings are concerned, I have got rid of the XMP options (all unchecked) as my native RAW are DNG.
    So, no way !! But it is not a so huge concern, thanks John.
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