Lion
Just wondering if all will be well with Lion coming next month?
Derek
Derek
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If you buy it on day one, you'll be the first one to know. 😁
In fact nobody knows as of today but the issue is relevant anyway.
Ok, serious now:
I expect that only after the final release application developers like Phase One (and all others in the world) will start final testing and detect issues. My general advice to users is that you should always expect issues with applications and that it will take between 3-6 months after the final OS release before all is settled down.
Personal line: I will be into it from date of release for testing myself but will implement it probably not before Christmas.0 -
Perhaps a more specific way to ask the question: Does Phase One make much effort to get their software ready for major OS updates? Isn't this the whole point of Apple releasing "Developer Preview" versions months ahead of the final release?
I get the impression from versions past, that Phase One is somehow caught off guard by these updates, and only starts working on the issue once the software has been released to the public.
Same goes with major Pro camera releases from Canon/Nikon. For example, the''ll announce a new camera in September. It doesn't ship till December. It' be February before Capture One supports it. Granted, it may be harder to get your hands on Raw files from cameras not publicly available, but it sure would be nice if they were ready on Day 1. Various blogs & review sites get test models weeks in advance.0 -
Apple has the tendency to make significant changes to the code up to the last day, is my impression. As a result application developers use their resources only once, that is once the final code is available. Even a much larger software-only corporation like Adobe works that way, as an example.
Regarding new cameras it is more or less the same. A production sample with production ready firmware is needed for profiling, in contrast to blogs and review sites which has become part of the appetizing PR campaign of those camera manufacturers. Different part of the food chain. Next, the update surfaces with the release schedule of the program; Capture One in this case.
Users should be aware that an OS upgrade has major impact despite what the manufacturer (Apple, Microsoft) want us to believe. It is the intermediate layer between hardware and application software so it affects both. For Phase One it relates to both backs and software.
Start with assuming that it is not compatible and see how to get it right from that point. For us users and photographers, expect it takes approx. 3 to 6 month because we not only have our photo editing software, but several tools and peripherals that need to catch up as well. And than we have not discussed whether all gear will still be supported under the new OS.
I advice clients to buy a new Mac now if they planned to, not next month, to work with a steady Snow Leopard environment and upgrade when ready for it. The Lion update is very affordable and you might even get it for free due to a grace period (don't have details yet, but read something like that).
Summary: the impact of an OS update is often underestimated but not by Phase One, as far I am aware.
(But we'll keep them focused, don't we? 😁 )0 -
The old tech adage "never buy .0 of any software" is especially true of OS updates and software relied on for business. Apple simply has no way to test the myriad configurations Lion will see in general release and if history is any indication the .1 release will be with us shortly.
The benefits of Lion are not going anywhere and I will wait until the all clear is sounded before implementing it in my business. If that takes Apple and Phase One 6 months I for one am happy to wait.0 -
Have they dropped PPC support in Lion?
If they have then best to check non of your apps use any PPC in activity monitor, think CS4 Photoshop uses some.0 -
Without breaking NDA,
everything seems to be working.0 -
[quote="Edward2" wrote:
Have they dropped PPC support in Lion?
If they have then best to check non of your apps use any PPC in activity monitor, think CS4 Photoshop uses some.
This is what I have read about one of the developer preview builds. This sure will impact some older and not so old applications.
Most application makers will update their current release if necessary, not any older version. Regarding Photoshop I expect the focus to be on CS5, with CS6 around the corner for autumn release. PS CS4 users could upgrade to CS6 and Lion in one step if they wait a few month or use a potential CS5-to-CS6 grace period after the CS6 announcement. Wait and see and a bit of planning will get you were you wanna be.0 -
[quote="Ian Eisenberg" wrote:
Without breaking NDA,
everything seems to be working.
thanks Ian, appreciated.0 -
Looks like I'll be staying with SL for a while yet, Eye One match still uses Rosetta, and knowing how slow they are in updating software, Apple will probably be releasing Top Cat or Garfield before I upgrade. 0 -
[quote="Edward2" wrote:
Looks like I'll be staying with SL for a while yet, Eye One match still uses Rosetta, and knowing how slow they are in updating software, ....
Eye One Match (i1 Match) is one of X-Rite's end-of-life (EOL) declared color management (profiling) packages and the new king is named i1Profiler (that is the software name, the packages are i1Basic, i1Photo, i1Publish Pro, depending on your needs). The Mac version of i1Profiler runs on Intel Mac only. If you have an i1Pro photospectrometer it will unlock the Basic mode (monitor profiling) of i1Profiler.
I use i1Profiler (upgraded from the also EOL and PPC Mac package Profilemaker 5) and the printer profiles are even better than Profilemaker's. What a great match with Capture One!
But yes, an upgrade to Lion might bring additional costs with it.0 -
Thanks Paul,
Does that mean I can download i1Profiler and use it with my eyeone display2 calibrator, or do I need new hardware as well?0 -
[quote="Edward2" wrote:
Does that mean I can download i1Profiler and use it with my eyeone display2 calibrator, or do I need new hardware as well?
From what I have read online from a i1Profiler beta user you need new hardware as well ( the i1Pro in the new i1Basic Pro package) but I have not tested this yet (I will shortly). The upgrade path to i1 Match/i1 Display 2 users is still unclear to me.
If you like to test yourself, please do (and let us know). You can download i1Profiler from the X-Rite site. Because it is 'dongleware' you get the full download, not time limited.0 -
[quote="Edward2" wrote:
Does that mean I can download i1Profiler and use it with my eyeone display2 calibrator, or do I need new hardware as well?
Update on the issue.
1) I calibrated the color LCD of a new MacBook Pro (Thunderbolt, 2011) yesterday with i1Profiler. The client's i1 Display 2 colorimeter does not work with i1Profiler so I had to use my i1 Pro.
2) Earlier this week X-Rite announced the i1 Display Pro packages which includes the i1Profiler software with a new colorimeter. The i1 Display 2 is discontinued. (see Rob Galbraith or X-Rite Photo web site)0 -
Many thanks Paul, think I'll be sticking with SL as it all works fine and can't really see a need to upgrade, yet. 0 -
[quote="Edward2" wrote:
Many thanks Paul, think I'll be sticking with SL as it all works fine and can't really see a need to upgrade, yet.
New information from X-Rite came out today. It seems more users are unhappy to trash their i1Display 2 monitor calibrator due to the fact that old software (i1 Match) does not run on OS X Lion and their new software (i1 Profiler) does not support the calibrator (but a new product instead).
In coming September X-Rite will release an i1 Profiler Mac monitor update that will support the i1 Display 2. For details see:
http://www.xritephoto.com/custom_page.aspx?PageID=264
So there is a future for i1 Display 2 owners on Lion.0 -
FYI: CO 6.2.2 - released today - mentions in the release notes "Improves Mac OS 10.7 compatibility". 0 -
Thanks Paul!
FYI 2
Basiccolor is intel based (should run under Lion, no?) ()
It costs 100 €… but I think there's a tryout free for one month.
I've been using it for 2 years to calibrate my Nec Spectraview 3090 with an i1 Display2 and I'm quite happy with it…
PS FYI 3 I have no commercial interest with Basiccolor 😊0 -
if you're using an NEC multisync or Eizo monitor, you should be using Spectraview(NEC) or ColorNavigator(Eizo) anyway. I haven't heard their compatibility plans but I doubt they would leave customers behind. 0 -
@Nicholas: basICColor sure is a good alternative for X-Rite's software where the i1 Display 2 is concerned. Their display calibration software is Universal Binary, so it will almost certainly run on Lion. However, with regard to display calibration software in general I am always careful as history showed that an update was more often than not necessary to adapt to the new OS X release.
@Edward51: like i1 Match in the past did, does basICColor Display calibration software today in that it provides hardware calibration support for a number of high-end monitors. Not sure about NEC, but sure about Eizo CG series. Many photographers use such a monitor connected to their MacBook Pro. Software like basICColor Display can be used to calibrate both displays, which is a plus for users, without neglecting hardware calibration of the external display.0 -
[quote="Paul_E" wrote:
[quote="Edward2" wrote:
Does that mean I can download i1Profiler and use it with my eyeone display2 calibrator, or do I need new hardware as well?
Update on the issue.
Xrite told me they will be updating the software for the old eyeone dislplay 2, it will be offered for a nominal fee, you can contact them and they will notify you when it is available.0 -
[quote="David5" wrote:
[quote="Paul_E" wrote:
[quote="Edward2" wrote:
Does that mean I can download i1Profiler and use it with my eyeone display2 calibrator, or do I need new hardware as well?
Update on the issue.
Xrite told me they will be updating the software for the old eyeone dislplay 2, it will be offered for a nominal fee, you can contact them and they will notify you when it is available.
Thanks for the confirmation David5. More details in my earlier post with a link to X-Rite website.
viewtopic.php?p=49063#p49063
While on it, OS X Lion is expected to be released through the App Store later today.0 -
[quote="Edward51" wrote:
if you're using an NEC multisync or Eizo monitor, you should be using Spectraview(NEC) or ColorNavigator(Eizo) anyway. I haven't heard their compatibility plans but I doubt they would leave customers behind.
Hi Edward
BasiCColor is the European version of SpectraView Profiler, Basicolor is also a German distibutor for Nec monitors (afaik)…0 -
[quote="Paul_E" wrote:
[quote="Edward2" wrote:
Many thanks Paul, think I'll be sticking with SL as it all works fine and can't really see a need to upgrade, yet.
New information from X-Rite came out today. It seems more users are unhappy to trash their i1Display 2 monitor calibrator due to the fact that old software (i1 Match) does not run on OS X Lion and their new software (i1 Profiler) does not support the calibrator (but a new product instead).
In coming September X-Rite will release an i1 Profiler Mac monitor update that will support the i1 Display 2. For details see:
http://www.xritephoto.com/custom_page.aspx?PageID=264
So there is a future for i1 Display 2 owners on Lion.
Wow, a company who doesn't want to extract more money out of me, good news.
So does C1 work OK? Anyone dared to try yet?0 -
First impressions with Capture One Pro 6.2.2 on OS X Lion (10.7.0)
Brief summary
After a brief exercise I conclude CO Pro 6 runs fine on Lion. I did not encounter any errors or malfunction so far. In fact, I felt it ran more smooth on my fairly aged hardware. Note it was only a brief experiences, a first impression.
My setup
I connected a Firewire 800 external drive to my MacBook Pro (end 2006 model, Core2Duo, 3 GB RAM=max). After installation of Lion (a smooth experience in itself) I installed CO 6 and ran Pro in trial mode.
What I did
Import from CF card /w firewire card reader; create new session; switch sessions; auto adjust of selection of images; copy-apply adjustments including keystone, spot/dust and adj.layers; local copy-apply adjustments; processing 1 or 2 recipes at a time; tethering to Canon 5D mkII with camera control and Capture Pilot with OS X firewall on
What's next
I will add more software to the mix, because we photographers use more than Capture One, don't we? To be continued.0 -
Let's go over some more notes on Lion regarding hardware
Straight from the heart
As you probably know, an operating system like OS X is the heart of your machine. Hardware, network, add-ons and peripherals, applications, data and how they interact: it is all handled by the operating system. As a result upgrading OS X has potentially a broad impact.
As I mentioned earlier I do some testing for my own setup (and fun and curiosity) and share it here. I hope you get some ideas for your setup on what to look out for.
Hardware
When reviewing a new operating system, I first look how it responds to the hardware (or vice versa). In the case of Apple, potential issues with the new version come from add-ons and not from the computer hardware in general. For me as photographer important hardware add-ons are: camera (tethering, live view), printer, display (calibration), network (in particular mobile broadband devices), scanner, tablet (like Wacom) or other input devices, and CD/DVD burning. Make your own list of devices. Next, visit websites for announcements. A quick review for my setup and than some more…
Camera
I use a Canon and succeeded in tethering with Capture One Pro 6.2.2. I tried EOS Utility for Live View but Canon software is blocked for any OS X after Snow Leopard.
http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h366/Paul_S57/EOS_Util_2101_on_Lion.png
Canon seems to be reviewing their software suite and I am waiting for an announcement.
A Nikon statement about Lion compatibility can be found here:
http://support.nikonusa.com/app/answers ... a_id/17449
No statement from either Phase One or Leaf that I am aware of at this time of writing.
Printer
Two pieces of information are important to me here: version of the printer driver and ColorSync. Lion installed a driver for my Epson R2880 printer like Snow Leopard (SL): through Software Update. In fact, it is the same driver version. ColorSync upgraded from 4.6.2 in SL to 4.7.0; so a small change. A test print showed very minor differences in favor of Lion (start to love this cat, could be a Lioness under the hood I guess). I made custom printer profiles under SL and do not see a direct necessity to re-profile under Lion but may do so in the long run.
Display calibration
I use X-Rite i1Profiler for my MBP screen and Eizo ColorNavigator for the Eizo ColorEdge display, both with an Eye-One Pro. Both installed without problems and gave very satisfactory results, hardly indistinguishable from the SL profiles. No announcement seen from Eizo but X-Rite has an overview page on Lion-compatibility at
http://www.xritephoto.com/custom_page.aspx?PageID=264
Check your display manufacturer or calibration software manufacturer for announcements.
Mobile broadband
As in previous upgrades (Tiger, Leopard, Snow Leopard) Lion breaks the software: installation crashed. I called my provider (Vodafone, known brand in Europe) and they did not seem aware of Lion's existence yet. Conversation felt like a wake-up call. This is gonna takes some time I am afraid. I was considering a MiFi device already, which can mitigate the issue (a MiFi device is a WiFi-to-3G broadband pocket sized, battery operating device).
Scanner
Still have to hook-up my Epson V750 Pro scanner and SilverFast v6.x software. LaserSoft has announced SilverFast 8 but no Lion announcement in general. So I suspect an upgrade to Lion means an upgrade to v8 as well. Another one for the checklist.
Tablet and other input devices
Pretty straightforward here: my Wacom Intuos 3 and current driver (6.1.6-4) installed and now runs without problems. No announcement seen from Wacom yet.
CD/DVD burning [color=#0000FF:s36eflsu][Updated][/color:s36eflsu]
I am not with the latest version currently (Toast 10). A CD-RW and DVD+RW were erased and burned successful. The DiscCatalogmaker had to be force quitted. I'll wait what Roxio will announce.
To be continued with more notes on applications and network (within spare time constraints obviously 😉 ). In the mean time, enjoy your Snow Leopard system!0 -
Paul,
Thanks for testing the waters and sharing your experience. I've not encountered problems in general with CO 6.2.2 in Lion as well. 10.7 budgets system resources on the fly in very interesting ways (according to the Ars Technica review), and I suspect that this will prove useful for those using MBPs.
Nicolas,
I appreciate the profiling software suggestion.0 -
[quote="Ralph" wrote:
Paul,
Thanks for testing the waters and sharing your experience. I've not encountered problems in general with CO 6.2.2 in Lion as well.
Thanks Ralph, that is good to hear. I have similar experiences so far. Actually much better experience than with previous versions of OS X.0 -
Let's talk about some applications on Lion.
When the Lion roars…
When an application is said to work on Lion, it does not yet mean it supports Lion's new features like Autosave, Restore (a.k.a. Resume), Versioning, Full Screen Mode and additional multi-touch gestures. This requires additional codes to be written in the program, which may or may not be included in an update. I like to go briefly over some products I use or am familiar with.
Adobe
Talking Adobe, see for Lion issues with Adobe products the Adobe page
http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/905/cpsid_90508.html
and for Photoshop in particular
http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/907/cpsid_90706.html
PS CS3, 4 and 5 have issues with Droplets. With this only applies when you created the droplets with v12.0.0 due to remaining PowerPC code. With later updates of CS5 droplets are fine. You can repair faulty droplets that by recreating it.
Photo Mechanic
Camera Bits' Photo Mechanic 4.6.7 installed and activated without problems. Camera Bits has a thread on its forum running regarding Photo Mechanic 4.6.x on Lion:
http://forums.camerabits.com/index.php?topic=6438.0
Leaf Capture
With LC 11.5.1 I opened, adjusted and processed images from about 20 different backs without problems. There are no known issues according to my Leaf contact person.
X-Rite i1Profiler
Works fine for display profiling as described earlier. X-Rite has an overview page on Lion-compatibility at http://www.xritephoto.com/custom_page.aspx?PageID=264 and i1Profiler is regarded Lion-proof.
Canon
Unlike EOS Utility Canon DPP 3.10.1 works fine on Lion, as is my first impression.
MS Office and Apple iWork [color=#0000FF:1ucg1i8c][Updated][/color:1ucg1i8c]
You might be using one of these too.
Microsoft is looking into both Office 2008 and 2011. In general its fine but some issues are to be worked out, version 2011 first and foremost, but 2008 as well (major issues only). More at:
http://blog.officeformac.com/office-for ... 10-7-lion/
There is a link in the blog for more details. And there is a new blog as of 27 July 2011:
http://blog.officeformac.com/more-news- ... 10-7-lion/
For Apple iWork 09 an update (update 6, a.k.a. v9.1) was released just after Lion for compatibility and Lion features like full screen. But that did not surprise you, or?
Disk Tools
With a new operating system always be careful with disk tools. I use two products, Drive Genius and TechTools Pro. Check with the manufacturer of your product.
Prosoft – Drive Genius 3.1.1 says its quite happy with Lion
http://www.prosofteng.com/products/driv ... sysreq.php
Micromat – TechTools Pro 6.0.2 warns you for unpredictable results warning, with an update pending
http://www.micromat.com/techtool-pro-6- ... -with-lion
This could go on and on, but you get the drill. At least check your list of applications for issues, their severity and how important it is to you. In a few months it all will be sorted out but you might not need to wait that long when there is no show-stopper.
You might notice Phase One Media Pro is missing in the list. I have too little experience with the program to evaluate it properly and no statement from Phase One is known to me currently.
To be continued as I expect to look into some Lion features in general and potential networking issues.0 -
Disk Warrior 4.3 works without a hitch as well. [quote="Paul_E"] wrote:
Let's talk about some applications on Lion.
Disk Tools
With a new operating system always be careful with disk tools. I use two products, Drive Genius and TechTools Pro. Check with the manufacturer of your product.
Prosoft – Drive Genius 3.1.1 says its quite happy with Lion
http://www.prosofteng.com/products/driv ... sysreq.php
Micromat – TechTools Pro 6.0.2 warns you for unpredictable results warning, with an update pending
http://www.micromat.com/techtool-pro-6- ... -with-lion"0 -
Connecting Lion to your NAS and then some more…
Network Attached Storage (NAS)
Many photographers use a NAS for storage or backup. Before you update to Lion check two issues with your NAS maker.
First, Apple changed the authentication in network file protocols AFP and SMB/CIFS. These protocols are widely used for connectivity to your NAS. Check whether your NAS supports the newer – more secure methods – for authentication (already or after an update) and apply the update before you upgrade to Lion. The official word is that Apple dropped DHCAST128 authentication method after being flagged as insufficiently secure.
Second, if you manage your NAS with an application on your Mac, check whether this is also Lion compatible.
Regarding the AFP and SMB/CIFS authentication the worst case scenario is that your NAS does not support the new authentication and no update is expected because your model is end-of-life or out-of-support. In that case you could Lion revert to the old method through a few hacks (use Terminal).
Free Lion?
Look for the OS X Lion up-to-date programme to get Lion free of charge if you recently bought a Mac without Lion. Check it out here:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/uptodate/
Be fast 'cause you need to claim your copy before 19th Aug 2011. You may install it at a later date.
No Rosetta, bye-bye PPC code
Long but not so long ago Macintoshes had a G5 or G4 processor: the PowerPC generation, with PPC software running on it. Since the switch to Intel all applications needed recompilation to Universal binary (runs on both PPC and Intel) and today more and more are Intel binaries only. PPC only software runs through Rosetta on an Intel Mac with (Snow) Leopard.
http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h366/Paul_S57/SysProf_SL_PPC.png
Lion does not provide Rosetta anymore, hence your older PPC software won't run. How to check this? Start System Profiler (Applications/Utilities folder) and go in the left column to Software, Applications. When the inventory is ready, sort by 'Kind' (4th column) by clicking on that word and look for PowerPC and you'll immediately see what you'll be missing after the upgrade. Maybe you need to maintain an older Mac for these PPC application for some time.
No user-Library folder in Finder
Apart from the two computer-Library folders (HD/Library and HD/System/Library) each user has its own Library folder for user related program settings. Unfortunately this user Library folder is sometimes accidentally deleted. To prevent this Apple has made it disappear from the Finder by default. Fortunately it is not difficult to access the folder anyway, making it either incidentally or permanently visible. See for some good tips an Adobe page at http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/909/cpsid_90947.html
This new feature is typically an issue with some applications not able to handle the hidden folder properly.
Java
Lion comes without a Java runtime. If an application needs it (like Photoshop CS5 to run Java scripts) you may be prompted to download and install it through Apple Software Update.
Airport is dead. Long live WiFi!
The title says it all. The wireless adapter – formerly known as Airport adapter – is now called WiFi, like almost any other computer on the planet. No big deal, huh?
Recovery HD
When using the Mac's boot manager (press Option after the chime) you'll see a Recovery HD boot volume. This is a separate hidden volume with a few utilities (restore from Time Machine, Safari, Disk Utility). It allows you to do a repair disk on your boot volume, which formerly required a separate drive. Tip: explorer it before you need it.
Disable 'Restore' (a.k.a. Resume)
A new feature of Lion will restore a program into the state where you left it when closing. It is a kind of iOS device experience. Safari and Preview are a few examples. Nice perhaps but if it annoys you or scares the *censored word* out of you: switch it off.
http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h366/Paul_S57/SysPref_Ln_Gnrl2.png
Go to System Preferences, General tab, the "Restore windows when quitting…" checkbox and uncheck it.
Changing displays
I use my MacBook Pro with an external display at home and without on the road. I always check the display profile it uses in both configuration as OS X might see it as different setups. My initial experience is that Lion, in contrast to Snow Leopard, does not automatically apply the monitor profile applied in one setup (after calibration) in the other as well. You can check and correct this with ColorSync utility. I review three modes: a) MBP standalone, b) MBP with external display and both in use, c) MBP with external display and only external display in use.
Switching between the modes b and c is easier now compared to (Snow) Leopard. It does not require go-into-sleepmode cycle but is dynamic and instantly. Just open and close the MBP's lit.
Last episode of my column on OS X Lion. No doubt some issues and many discoveries will surface. But no doubt too there is a Lion in your future.0
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