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preferred Mac OS

dale11833
Is there a optimum Mac OS for running Capture 7?

On 10.6.8 I am having problems so I want to update to either 10.7.4 or 10.8.2.
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    Regarding CO7 I have no preference between 10.7.x or 10.8.2, however I tend to prefer either of them over 10.6.8.
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  • derek hillier
    I'm using 10.8.3 works great
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  • Ario
    I am also using 10.8.3, no problems.
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  • Edward Caruso
    what issues are you having with 10.6.8? I don't have any with 7.1 where on a 10.7.5 system its so slow its unusable.
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  • dale11833
    On Mac OS 10.6.8 I used Capture 7.1 on a job and after 2 to 3 set ups it would crash and when restarting 7.1 it would crash upon opening, constantly. I had to create a whole new session and drag my capture folders into the new session to continue working. I had to repeat this 5 times throughout the day. I did all the troubleshooting stuff, throwing out preferences, turning off open cl, etc. That didn't help. I filed a support case, uploaded all my crash logs and a copy of my system profiler. Tech support said it was a root Mac OS issue and that I should be on 10.7 or 10.8 I took the plunge and updated my SSD drives on the imac and laptop to 10.8.2. It seems to be running smoother now but have not tested it in a tethered environment. At least 7.1 is not crashing on start up when opening that problematic session that crashed in 10.6.8.
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  • Edward Caruso
    i had crashing with 10.6.8 and V7.1 - but that was only on sessions I started in V6 and "upgraded" to V7 version. Support told me they knew about it but weren't likely to fix it. So its not an OS 10.6.8 issue but a Capture One issue to me. Otherwise sessions in V7 and 10.6.8 work fine for me - if they originate in V7. You can also make a dummy fresh V7 session and navigate to the session that is giving you trouble and continue working.
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  • Edward Caruso
    on a side note i am finding V7 so much slower than V6 on the same machine that I am not seeing reasons to use the new version on tethered shoots.
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  • Drew Altdo
    [quote="Edward51" wrote:
    on a side note i am finding V7 so much slower than V6 on the same machine that I am not seeing reasons to use the new version on tethered shoots.


    As it should be if the Hardware of the machine has not changed to match the hardware demand of Capture One 7.
    Just like buying a bigger car but using the same engine as your older, smaller, car. A software that demands more resources must be used on a machine to match.
    You would find the same with any software. CS4 runs much faster on my new machine than CS6. The 10.8.x OS runs much slower on a system built and shipped with 10.6.8.

    The question of "Preferred Mac Hardware" is a better question to ask than OS alone. The best OS will depend on your system. From experience, the 10.8.x OS is the best all around OS to use on a system that can efficiently run it. The 10.6.8 OS on older machines may struggle with Capture One 7 depending on it's hardware and ability to run a 64 Bit kernel.
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  • Edward Caruso
    Hi Drew,

    I find that very disappointing - I'm not using an ancient computer by any means - actually V6 runs pretty quickly on it whereas V7 can barely get previews up and lags far behind. Clients were hating it. I don't see how or why the new software needs to be more demanding for tethered capture? What is going on with V7 that it is so heavy on the system? I really would like to see an optimized version of C1P one day - less features more performance - happier customers. As it is right now I see no reason to recommend V7 to my clients for tethered shooting. I use it for processing but can't deal with a slow system on set.
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  • Anthony Sylvestro
    [quote="Edward51" wrote:
    Hi Drew,

    I find that very disappointing - I'm not using an ancient computer by any means - actually V6 runs pretty quickly on it whereas V7 can barely get previews up and lags far behind. Clients were hating it. I don't see how or why the new software needs to be more demanding for tethered capture? What is going on with V7 that it is so heavy on the system? I really would like to see an optimized version of C1P one day - less features more performance - happier customers. As it is right now I see no reason to recommend V7 to my clients for tethered shooting. I use it for processing but can't deal with a slow system on set.
    [quote="dale11833" wrote:
    On Mac OS 10.6.8 I used Capture 7.1 on a job and after 2 to 3 set ups it would crash and when restarting 7.1 it would crash upon opening, constantly. I had to create a whole new session and drag my capture folders into the new session to continue working. I had to repeat this 5 times throughout the day. I did all the troubleshooting stuff, throwing out preferences, turning off open cl, etc. That didn't help. I filed a support case, uploaded all my crash logs and a copy of my system profiler. Tech support said it was a root Mac OS issue and that I should be on 10.7 or 10.8 I took the plunge and updated my SSD drives on the imac and laptop to 10.8.2. It seems to be running smoother now but have not tested it in a tethered environment. At least 7.1 is not crashing on start up when opening that problematic session that crashed in 10.6.8.


    I agree totally.



    Make sure when you update to 10.8 that all your other programs work, including plugins. Some of the plugins I have and even major programs are not up to speed on 10.8 . A retoucher friend of mine took over a week to get back up to speed and had to do major work arounds to get things back to speed. Even Apple says it is problematic. If you get an honest one that is. Before you go on a photo shoot check every one of your systems to see if they work.
    For me, C1pro 7.1 is a disaster... totally. Im going to let it ride and go back until Apple 10.8 works fine with everything.
    Doesnt seem to me like Phase One is listening to any of the problems posted.
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  • Drew Altdo
    [quote="Edward51" wrote:
    I find that very disappointing...


    I am sorry to disappoint but that is the nature of technology growth. New features, new algorithms, new engines require more resources. If this did not hold true the Apple IIe would still be your go to system.
    Capture One 7 is a complete overhaul of the previous Imaging Algorithms. This is why we can now get more detail from the same RAW, we can suppress noise better than Capture One 6, we can build bigger and more accurate previews, we can process to PSD, etc, etc, etc.
    Capture One 7 may look the same but under the hood it's all new. Those new features require 2x as much RAM as before, a 64 Bit environment and faster processors.
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  • Edward Caruso
    No I don't use an Apple IIe - I am a tech in NYC working on fashion and advertising jobs and such. I do not recommend updating hardware unless there is a very good reason. more processors, higher ram ceiling - very good reasons but not necessarily OS updates - as they don't seem to improve performance anymore.
    So I wish PO engineers could improve on the tethering ability and image adjustment speed - for those of us working in these situations, without needing to buy the latest Mac - as being on the latest OS's can have negative consequences too. Basically if it isn't broke - dont fix it principal. I have very stable and quick systems by following this philosophy.
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  • SFA
    Edward,

    Sorry to butt in here - I'm a Windows user so in theory my comments don't count .... but ....

    A long way from the image processing world I am seeing the same needs.

    If people want to make the "jump to the next level" - whatever that means - the hardware investment hit seems to be par for the course. That is the way that hardware design and development seems to have taken the software teams. No options. Take it or leave it.

    I have just invested in a 64bit Windows machine with a reasonable amount of RAM, a failry recent i7 processor and an SSD drive. My photo editing world has changed.

    In a month or so, when the novelty has worn off, I may start to complain that re-presenting an image after some sort of change takes 3/10ths of a second in stead of 1/10th but for now I am happy. If I win the lotto and buy something that pumps outreally huge RAW files that situation might change.

    So far, for my needs, 7.1 on Windows on a reasonably high spec notebook looks to be about as fast as I need. Or rather as fast as I can hope to cope with.

    Previously, with both C1 and some business application software I am involved with, working with a relatively high end system from 5 or 6 years ago seemed to be a cost effective option. Not any more. A significant jump is needed is seems. However the gains look like they are beneficial and justify the effort and expense. (At least they do in a Windows environment.)

    Others may identify a different mileage calculation.

    My other, business, software involvement sees the developers trying to trade the balance of performance between input and output. Currently available soft and hard technology seems unable to offer both. It's not easy out there.


    Grant Perkins
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  • Edward Caruso
    I remember you for a previous discussion, I'm not sure your experiences relate to the professional photo world (especially since you do not use Macs). I think that was about a specific feature request forum.

    I don't use old computers - all laptops are i7's at least.
    and I do not process images in my spare time of birds photographed from my back porch or trains at a train show on weekends. this is fast paced professional shoots - like I was in the bahamas last week for a magazine editorial and needed to deputize V7 on a new laptop (10.7.5) b/c the good one (10.6) had an issue.
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  • SFA
    [quote="Edward51" wrote:
    I remember you for a previous discussion, I'm not sure your experiences relate to the professional photo world (especially since you do not use Macs). I think that was about a specific feature request forum.

    I don't use old computers - all laptops are i7's at least.
    and I do not process images in my spare time of birds photographed from my back porch or trains at a train show on weekends. this is fast paced professional shoots - like I was in the bahamas last week for a magazine editorial and needed to deputize V7 on a new laptop (10.7.5) b/c the good one (10.6) had an issue.



    Edward,

    I sympathise.

    There does seem to be something odd going on in the computing world.

    For example I note that the forums here have far more negative posts in the Mac world than they do in the PC world. I would have expected the other way around and by some distance.

    It is probable that the number of Mac users, especially Professional users, far exceeeds the number of PC users and so the balance of posts is not indicative of anything worthwhile.

    However I would also speculate that the main development work for C1 is undertaken in a Mac environment. That has certainly been the case for other photo processing software I have used. It seems odd, therefore, that the Mac world seems to face so many challenges.

    Something, somewhere seems to be illogical in this respect. Hopefully, with enough feedback from users, what it is will be identified relatively quickly.

    Grant Perkins
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  • Nick64
    I prefer 10.8.x, even on older hardware. OpenCL is off though on my older systems.
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  • Steven48
    Unfortunately for some of us 10.8.x is not an option. My system simply won't support it. I have to buy another system in order to upgrade and that definitely is not in the budget right now considering towers with what I need in it are in the $5000 price range 😂 😂 😂 , Apple sure is proud of their **it!
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