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Deleting Catalog Keyword.

NNN636396995446904833
I'm about to twist my head off, I can not for the life of me delete catalogue keywords.

I have even gone to the drastic step of selecting ALL my photos and deleting ALL my keywords from ALL photos. Even then I'm not able to delete old Catalogue keywords. I right click the Catalogue Keyword, pick delete and its gone ... until I restart C1 again ... SIG... problem was with version 10 and is still in version 11. What do I have to do ? delete all my photos, catalogues, windows 10 and format hard drive to be able to get rid of the catalogue keywords ??

Advice before I stick my head in the river and drink it empty,
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  • John Doe
    Two suggestions off the top of my head:
    1/ With an EXIF editor such as exiftool, make sure that your picture files don't have any embedded keywords
    2/ In Capture One prefs, make sure that metadata sync isn't enabled

    The "reappearing keywords" bug was solved for me in one of the latest v9 updates, IIRC.

    Good luck!
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  • NNN636396995446904833
    [quote="John Doe" wrote:
    Two suggestions off the top of my head:
    1/ With an EXIF editor such as exiftool, make sure that your picture files don't have any embedded keywords


    Do this mean that C1 can display and read and create embedded keywords, but can not remove them ? Specially funny, as these keywords are made within C1
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  • John Doe
    I don't know.
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  • SFA
    [quote="NNN636396995446904833" wrote:
    [quote="John Doe" wrote:
    Two suggestions off the top of my head:
    1/ With an EXIF editor such as exiftool, make sure that your picture files don't have any embedded keywords


    Do this mean that C1 can display and read and create embedded keywords, but can not remove them ? Specially funny, as these keywords are made within C1


    Have you output some files with keywords in, for example, jpgs?

    Are those files (jpgs, tiff, whatever) now identified as original files in C1?

    If you have that then a Windows search would probably find them as well,

    C1 will not change an original file.

    The other problem possibility is some issues with undeleted temporary files from an earlier process that are being picked up for re-use by the new process. Perhaps.

    There may be other things involved but they would be worth checking along with whatever keyword list files may still be sitting around in the system.


    Grant
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  • xplatinum
    That's a confirmed bug in v10. The application keeps a reference between the image and the keyword in its database even if it no longer exists. No fix in sight.

    Last time I tried I THINk you can bypass the bug by removing the image from the catalog and emptying the bin. Delete the keyword. Exit the application and then reimport the image.
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  • Permanently deleted user
    I'm having the same problem. 4-5 keywords that reappear after restart. No sync is enabled in preferences, all XMPs are deleted, and I have even run Exiftool to strip "Subject", "Keywords", and "Hierarchical Subject" from all the files in the catalog.

    The keywords do not show up in Filters, only under Catalog Keywords, so I have no idea if they are attached to some files or not.

    Capture One Pro v11.0.1.30.
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  • SFA
    Try a Windows search for the words and see if any relevant files are discovered.

    If, for example, those keywords are embedded in a jpg Windows should find them, especially if you have indexing active.

    Bear in mind that that there are some files - small dimension jpgs for example or very large images, perhaps stitched panoramas? - that C1 will not edit or in other cases may only display. I guess it is possible that the search and find process would still include any associated keywords for them even if they are not "known" to the catalog. Speculation but something worth considering.

    Can you recall using those keywords at any point in the past? If so dies that recollection provide any clue as to their origin?


    Grant
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  • Permanently deleted user
    A Windows search did not turn up anything. I have also run both a removal of keywords and a search for them using exiftool, and neither did turn up anything. Are there perhaps any other tools than exiftool that may provide more information?

    The actual keywords are relatively recently used (within the last year or so), but still there are several hundred candidates. But the keywords do not show up anywhere (not in C1, not in exiftool, and not in file properties in Explorer), so I am pretty sure there are no images left that still contain any keywords. I'm more inclined to believe this is a database issue.
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  • Eric Valk
    Don't neglect checking all generated files like TIFFs.

    XNview MP has great viewer for XMP and EXIF. Keywords may be embedded in the XMP in the file
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  • Permanently deleted user
    Thank you for the tip. Downloaded XnView and searched all image files for all keywords in turn, no hits. I've concluded that the error is in the catalog.

    Now, if I find a relatively easy way to backup my edits I would start a new catalog and import everything again, adjustments, variants, etc. included -- but *without* the keywords, of course. Any tips?
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  • Eric Valk
    I'm a Mac user in personal life, so no background in CO for Windows.

    But generally you have three ways of propagating CO edits:
    • In a Catatalog
    • In a Sesssion
    • As an export

    I would keep your catalog (don't erase it), and make a search for all "adjusted" images, and then export those as "originals" to a new folder. Perhaps as an orginal size TIFF. This will result in a TIFF file for each image, and two sidecar files, one of them will contain the adjustments. CO will create subfolders to hold the sidecar files.

    Then I would start by creating a new Catalog, and reimport about ten of the originals. Check if the undesired keywords have shown up after each step. If not then import the rest. Check again.

    If the unwanted keywords show up after just creating the catalog and importing a couple of images, then the keywords may be captured in a preference file somewhere.

    In OSX there ius a "PLIST" file for CaptureOne, which contains the users preferences and history. (Every application has one). I don't know the Windows equivalent. Registry entries perhaps? In OSX I would say delete the .plist file.
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  • MikeArst
    Keyword problems have plagued me since I first began using Capture One. Love the program, not crazy about how it handles keywords. Version 10's keyword problems drove me spare. I finally stopped using keywords within it completely (and turned off auto synchronizing, which was causing serious performance "hits" anyway). When I use keywords at all, I work on those only within Photo Mechanic. It has been interesting to see a few Capture One webinars with guest presenters — professional photographers — who organize their work via folders and don't use keywords at all (they also use Sessions more than Catalogues). Doing completely without keywords can't be an option for everyone, of course.

    One of the "I give up!" problems in v.10 was finding that adding a new keyword within Photo Mechanic — to an image that already had an XMP sidecar file that I'd altered within Capture One — was an exercise in futility. Reason: I'd return to viewing the image in Capture One, only to find that the newly added keyword had been deleted (by Capture One). At that point I gave up working with the keywords in Capture One entirely.
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  • Permanently deleted user
    I have found a solution.

    Whichever way I created a new catalog and imported my images, the keywords always reappeared. After having run exiftool with all kinds of removal parameters on all my images to no avail, I figured the keywords must somehow come from Capture One.

    Not wanting to lose all my edits, I exported all my adjusted images, as originals, with adjustments, to a separate location for later import. Then I created a new, blank catalog and imported all the images in my Pictures folder *without* adjustments.

    Looking in the "CaptureOne\Settings110" subfolder of the folder with the exported images with adjustments, I removed the following line from the *.cos files found there, with a text editor:
    <E K="Content_Keywords" V="BLAHBLAHBLAH">
    (This line may appear several times in each *.cos file, but keywords were present in two places at most.)

    I finally imported these adjusted images back into the catalog, in place, *with* adjustments. No keywords appearing. My last step was to manually move them back into their original location in the folder tree, overwriting the unmodified versions imported earlier.

    I bit tedious, but at least I now know where they keywords come from. Not EXIT/IPTC/XMP or sidecars. Anyway, I now have a nice, clean, freshly built catalog with no keywords whatsoever. Bliss.

    Thank you for your tips and help.
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