Stop the Press!!!!
iPad version in development for early 2022 release !!!!
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true? Or hope?
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Got an email saying this with 40% June discount
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Interesting! I didn't get it. Is there any way to screen grab it and post here? (Feel free to blur/crop anything identifying. :) )
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Open CO it’s announced on the help splash screen, unless you have disabled that of course.
Dave
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They're back to advertising vaporware again. It will only work on the M1 iPad if and when it arrives a year from now. I'm still waiting for the IQ4 Capture Pilot like app that was promised over two and a half years ago.
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Not at all surprised to see that this is what they're spending their time on rather than fixing bugs and limitations in the desktop application.
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as it will very likely not be a cheap app and it requires an expansive iPad too I see professionals being the first using it but for those groupe they have to get the integration with the desktop version right and have tethered support too not something easy to accomplish as they started late. I really hope it is not just a stripped down version to apply overpriced presets.
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What makes you think it’s even a paid app? I could see the price of Capture One increasing to accomodate it, and the subscription price increasing, or possibly a tier that includes it for a modest price increase, but I could imagine genuine backlash if it wasn’t “included” in a Capture 22/23 licence. Lightroom is included in CC. That’s what they’re up against.
In any event... I have a wild theory that it’s irrelevant.
As of BiG Sur it’s been possible to run IOS apps on Mac (or maybe that’s just on M1 macs. I’m not sure). So, with M1, I strongly suspect that IOS will be redesigned to allow desktop apps on IOS. It’s only a matter of time. And if Apple do it on a system level, developers won’t need to change much besides possibly small interface and input tweaks.
Capture One could theoretically opt out... but... again... backlash. What would be their reason besides wanting to up sell? It’s a lot cheaper and easier to update an existing version than it is to redesign for mobile.
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you think a company which sells totally overpriced presets will add this for free or just a small surcharge ? no way this will happen but I'm sure a backlash will happen when they add it to the current subscription / licence and increase the price because for most user it will have no value.
as I understand apple will keep osx and iOS separated and running osx apps on ipados is not planed.
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"you think a company which sells totally overpriced presets will add this for free or just a small surcharge ? no way this will happen but I'm sure a backlash will happen when they add it to the current subscription / licence and increase the price because for most user it will have no value."
I agree, there's no way this is going to be free, in any sense of the word. Just look at their current app.
Obviously, a lot of users have requested an iPad app, so it's not that it's completely unreasonable for them to make one, I'm just increasingly disappointed that no priority is given to fixing bugs and limitations in the actual Capture One application. Instead we see this, in addition to the usual new useless features and presets aimed, apparently, at the Instagram segment.
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I think it will be hard to defend an anti consumer action. A tier of purchase or subscription that includes it is one thing, but adding it at increased cost with no option to opt out...
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...looking just a little back in the past i think c1 has no problem doing anti consumer actions.
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beside my and others real interest for such an app I see it foremost as a "me too" action and a way to get attention as most c1 user will not find it useful. does anybody believe that the majority of c1 user which are hobbyists will get an ipadpro just to run it acceptable and make it a successes ?
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I've been wanting this for a while, and to me it makes sense (I am a professional user). But I don't know about this implementation. I can genuinely see myself using mobile, even professionally. I'm always going to bring important photos back to the office to edit on my pro screen, but this could majorly simplify tethering on set for solo shooters, and allow some work do be done in a casual environment like a cafe or on the beach without needing a laptop (selects and some basic adjustments for example. Or even just instagram/social edits of less importance).
But... it needs to be optional. I'm not paying more for mobile software if I don't need it or have an iPad to run it.
So...I imagine 4 sku's.
Outright C1
Outright C1 with Mobile
Subscription C1
Subscription C1 with Mobile.
I would be gobsmacked if they had a mobile version that did not include access to the desktop version. I suppose they could do a mobile only version, but it would have to include an option to get the desktop version for dirt cheap. If I was forced to pay twice or overpay for a feature I didn't ask for, I'd be sticking to Capture 21 for life and voting with my wallet. I already have access to Lightroom mobile if I got desperate.
Capture deserve to get paid for this product... but let's be realistic. Their most direct competitor doesn't charge for mobile (or at least they built it into their pricing and it's barely noticeable). And people STILL hate the subscription model, even though it has some benefits.
C1 already has an image problem. Their bug fix policy is lacklustre. I've had to upgrade just to fix a known issue because they abandon their old software. I'm currently dealing with about 4 annoyances in Capture 20.
If they include this for free (or next to free), they'd capture market share. If they want to just extract money from loyal users, they'll lose market share.
So if they "need" to increase subscription fees or the overall prices by 10% to cover this, that seems reasonable. Even 20%... ok. But much more... That's a piss take. It's up to them now to see how they want to be viewed. I'm one of their most loyal and evangelical users. I've probably sold hundreds of copies over the years. But I won't be recommending it if this turns into a cash grab that affects me negatively.0 -
the ipadpro is already fantastic for smaller location shootings, I can say this from my own experience. so for professional user it makes a lot of sense. i think it is very important for c1 to get it right for this group first, what adobes does and offers is less important here also price. for me to buy or rent it must come with following features:
- tether support - wifi & USB even when they only support the lates cameras
- easy synchronisation of adjustments and ratings with the desktop app
- an interface design focused on usability
because an app just to play around with some raw files is not enough imho, there are already many available.
"C1 already has an image problem. Their bug fix policy is lacklustre. ."
right, not only this the competitions is not sleeping,so even when they get everything right, which I doubt, it is not an easy road. the apps of the camera manufacturer are also getting better and better so they must come up with an really good reason to use c1 over other and free apps.....
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Regarding the (likely) price for the app: the only way to distribute it is through the iPadOS App store. So, they need to follow the rules there, which means they can not offer it for free for those who already own a C1 license and ask for money from those who don't. They could include it in the C1 subscription, but then it would only be available to those having subscribed, not the persistent license holders.
So, the likely scenarios are they make it an optional subscription or ask for a one-time fee (the latter is unlikely, IMO). Or (very unlikely) they just offer it for free (which would be to anyone, including those not owning any kind of C1 license).
Regarding the limitation to the M1 iPads: you may hate it as customers, but it makes sense from a developer's standpoint. I assume they had to rewrite a fairly large part of the macOS C1 to make it compatible with Apple silicon (which is the main reason why it took them a while to release it). Now that they have that code, it should be less difficult (but likely still a big challenge due to the UI differences) to port it to iPadOS. However, the older generation iPads will very likely not have the horsepower to offer the experience they want to offer and we as customers do expect. There's a chance it will officially also run on the previous generation iPad Pro or the current iPad Air, but I wouldn't expect exceptional performance. Plus, by the time they release the App, M1 iPads (or iPads with variants of the M1) might be the standard already.
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Good points, they could also offer a stripped down version for free but to unlock advanced features you have to sign up for a subscription, more likely or pay.
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I strongly suspect that IOS will be redesigned to allow desktop apps on IOS.
While some desktop apps can translate to iOS, not all can. Example: there is no way to "hover" the pointer in iOS. Capture One used hovering to drive the color readouts. Another thing that can't be done on a touch device is to use a modifier key with the pointer. In the simple case you can replace a right click with a long press. But take Capture One's ability to pan an image while using a brush by using the space bar as a modifier.
Sure, there are ways to make this work, but they require program changes. Getting anything but the most simple of apps to run on a devices with different input abilities is not something that can be done automatically.
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Well, I'm not sure if iPad Pro can replace MacBook series or not because of macOS. At the same price around $999, iPad Pro might be tempting especially with mini LED but most of us need macOS. I wouldn't buy iPad Pro unless I have another MacBook to back it up. Yes, I have M1 Mac mini in my house but I always have a backup Mac whenever I have issues such as recovery mode. We probably need to wait for WWDC 2021 if they announce a whole new iPadOS but at this point, I'm still skeptical about iPad Pro itself since iPadOS is quite limited to use compared to macOS.
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Good points Marco, but with any 3rd party keyboard, but especially one with a trackpad such as the Magic keyboard, a 1:1 port would be possible.
And while I don't know if it's an ideal solution, an on screen keyboard could theoretically allow a pretty near identical port as well.
Having said that... I think you're right. The app has to cater for people with an iPad and nothing else, and has to assume no other peripherals are present. So a new interface would be required. And given how much I rely on keyboard shortcuts (also some custom ones), it will be interesting to see what the new interface will look like and if anything is sacrificed.
And Markus, I think you're right.
But as someone who generally updates C1 every other version, I think it's safe to assume that C1 would rather have me on the subscription model. So I could imagine them finding a way to incentivise me to switch to that model.
And for that to happen, it would have to be included free or very cheap with a subscription. If they made it standalone in the app store at any price, I'd stick with the ownership model.
I still could imagine them having a subscription model though for the mobile version, because as far as I know, standalone apps come with free updates for life. So it's a one time sale. That's not a good proposition for C1, even if they charged $100 or more up front.
But in either case... there's lots of ways to monetise. For example, Style packs, a "pro" version that is a subscription model, etc.0
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