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New License Model: Changes to the way licensing, updates, and upgrades work

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  • Ian Farlow

    Can I inquire as to why you didn't release this information right before the 23 upgrade rather than right after? I believe that answer is quite obvious to everyone thus I call "BS" on your contention you are benevolent and responsive to your users.

    This, exactly. Comments like, "Many of you have expressed a desire for us to make changes faster and to implement features more quickly," ring hollow given how this is coming on the heels of a promotion to upgrade to 23 and we aren't even getting a full year out of the upgrade we just purchased.

    What a brilliant way to let every know just how tone deaf the company is.

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  • Markus Schwerer
    This is disappointing and again it's all about the money. They want more money and would like to lead us to a subscription. Sure, you have the customer on the hook and can do whatever you want. That's unfair and I was hoping you would never do that. Shit !!!!
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  • Romain M

    I feel so f*cked. I bought my first C1 license about two weeks ago, because I don't want Adobe subscription prison, and now you make this announcement. And you give me updates for only 10 month, not 12, that's a steal.
    "Many of you have expressed a desire for us to make changes faster and to implement features more quickly," prove it, I don't think anyone here would agree to this move, and seeing all comments here I don't think I'm wrong.

    If you expect me to buy a new license instead of an upgrade, you're delusional, you will only loose a client.

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  • Permanently deleted user

    Personally I don't see what's wrong with this move. It's industry standard to withhold feature updates to the next major release. Many software companies do it the same way. If you don't need the new features, nobody is forcing you to upgrade. You only upgrade when you need it. So I'm not sure what's the fuss. Please enlighten me if I miss something.

    The only problem here is perhaps free updates for 10 months instead of 12 months.

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  • Thomas Grönwall

    I’m very very disappointed. I hesitated to upgrade to C1 23, because there no real new features that I wanted. But I did eventually buy an upgrade, because of all the updates I thought I would get during the whole year of 2023. Now I possibly need to pay for full license in early October for any features you add then that I was hoping I would get for what I paid for the upgrade. And I imagine I need to purchase yet another full licence, like each year or so if there are any new features. Doing perpetual ”upgrades” each year as I normally do will be painfully expensive. I moved from Adobe LR some years ago when they moved to subscription only. I really don’t want to pay for just using the software, I want to pay for the new features you add, when there are any that I like. If I do that I expect to get it with a rebate, not paying full price each time I upgrade. As many said before me, I you force me to subscribe I could much rather subscribe to the Adobe suite. I will consider that. It all comes down to what a annual perpetual ”upgrade” would cost me. Will it be at the current price point for a full license, I will perhaps upgrade every two years instead of each year. Quite the opposite of what you intended with this strategy.

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  • Robert Bedson

    I will be removing my recommendation to my students on the University courses I teach to use C1, but to go to Adobe.

    I never thought I would say that, but when a company fail to live up to their sales pitch so soon, its tells me that they cannot be trusted any more.

    I get the upgrade and pay each year, but I think 23 is the final one.

    Its a shame

     

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  • Gaetan Dery

    So sad!. I was an avid C1Pro user for many years. Its too bad that the marketing folks did not have the decency to announce this prior to release of 23. I guess its time to go back to LR in the next little while.

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  • ALESSIO FURLAN

    @...

    Personally I don't see what's wrong with this move. It's industry standard to withhold feature updates to the next major release. Many software companies do it the same way. If you don't need the new features, nobody is forcing you to upgrade. You only upgrade when you need it. So I'm not sure what's the fuss. Please enlighten me if I miss something.

    The only problem here is perhaps free updates for 10 months instead of 12 months.

     

    The question is not to choose to switch to the subscription system. Capture One is free to do it.

    The question is that they are being proved unreliable. They first waited to collect the renewals of perpetual licenses ... and then to launch this announcement.

    This means "not being serious". And when a photographer has to invest, time, resources in a service, he claims seriousness.

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  • Hans-Joachim Guhr

    @... 

    But there are no more upgrades. You always have to buy a full version again

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  • Ian Farlow

    Personally I don't see what's wrong with this move. It's industry standard to withhold feature updates to the next major release. Many software companies do it the same way. If you don't need the new features, nobody is forcing you to upgrade. You only upgrade when you need it. So I'm not sure what's the fuss. Please enlighten me if I miss something.

    I just bought a license for Capture One version 16 and currently sit on version 16.0.1.17. Prior to this announcement, the only time it would cost me to upgrade would be if I wanted to buy version 17. Now, based on this announcement, I would have to pay for version 16.1, not withstanding the "free" upgrades until September 2023. So, it's no longer an issue of paying to upgrade major versions (16 -> 17) but an issue of paying to upgrade minor versions (16.0 -> 16.1). In other words, the software that I purchased will go stale (with regards to updates) much quicker than it did in the past.

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  • Permanently deleted user

    So how about you make it so that a license includes a year of updates from the time of purchase, which is how it should have always been to begin with.  I already refused to upgrade to C1 22 when you released it literally weeks after I purchased C1 21 and wanted to charge me the full upgrade price for it.  Glad now that I didn’t bother with C1 23 either.  Telling me that I’m going to have to pay the full upgrade price every time I want a new feature (right down, it would seem, to support for a new camera)?  Nope.

    Meanwhile, I’ve mostly switched over to DxO PhotoLab at this point anyway, so I think I’ll just stay with that.

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  • Permanently deleted user

    Wow, Capture One in suicide mode! 

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  • ALESSIO FURLAN

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  • Jochen Beck

    Really, really annoyed by this move.
    It's your right to do this, but limiting update access to September 30th is outright stupid and criminal, leaving us with only 10 months of support instead of 12. Prolong this deadline to Dec 23 at least!

    I have to say that ever since Rafael Orta became CEO, the company has gradually lost my support due to the continuous stream of bad (for customers) ideas and decisions.

    It's such a shame.

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  • Iris Weeber

    Totally unbelievable!!!!
    I had to read the email twice to get it whats the plan of C1!

    About 5 years ago, I decided to change to C1 in order to have a good solution for the future- but now, I have to think about alternatives. I am convinced that there will be no loyality for longtime customers and atractive prices any more...!

    @management of C1:
    I urgently ask you to think about it again if you should do this to your faithful customers!

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  • Lorenzo

    I loved your webinars with David Grover (and Alexander Flemming) – could you make one about switching from Capture One to Lightroom? Thank you!

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  • Lorenzo

    Bravo, exactly Iris Weeber!

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  • Peter Adams

    This is actually a very reasonable alternative to the subscription only offering. Most Pros only update once a year as they can’t risk the instability of new software during photo shoots…. However… communication could have been handled better.

    Here’s what I would have liked to have seen in the announcement::

    1. Pricing for the new “feature” version a perpetual license holder will have to buy in Feb 2023. There’s anxiety that it will be way more than the upgrade license costs that exist now.

    2. A sweetener for existing perpetual license holders. An extra year of feature updates would have likely squashed the debate entirely.

    3. An “upgrade to subscription” offer for existing perpetual license holders that gets you a discounted subscription for life. similar to what Adobe did when they put out the low cost “Photography” plan at the dawn of creative cloud.

    Chances to licensing is always tricky and it’s impossible to please everyone but I think these few additions would have gone a long way.

    At the end of the day we all want Capture One to succeed. Just give the larger community (Pros and non-pros) a reason or two to feel more valued during this transition.

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  • Lorenzo

    @Markus Ullius Yes, you're totally right, DxO it's a great option to go! A good advice for all the people here!

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  • ALESSIO FURLAN

    Peter Adams

    Exactly. Over the years, I have lived various changes in the business models of companies. But I have always had a serious, sensible treatment that would make situation acceptable.

    Here instead they first launched the new version (3 weeks ago!) By collecting the renewals of perpetual licenses (with a increased price ...) ... and only now made the announcement.

    They totally lost my trust. I have been a customer for over 10 years that he had renewed every year.

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  • Randy Becker

    If there will not be a Capture One 24, what will it be called when perpetual license owners buy a "new license"?  How will we know we're getting something new?  Will this new license scheme mean we can still get a perpetual license every year or will the aforementioned "new license" only be a subscription?  If that is the case, I worry about the future of Capture One.

    I sincerely hope February's fully fleshed out explanation is more forthcoming.

    I believe a company can do whatever it wants with its products just as customers can do whatever they want with their money but I hope Capture One hasn't just shot itself in the foot with this "new licensing model."  

    I guess we'll see in February ...

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  • Henk de Haan

    I think a many annoyances can be avoided if Capture One doesn't wait until February 2023 for the announcement of the 'new loyalty scheme' 

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  • Lucas Dietrich

    The FAQ section on the pricing page (still) reads:

    How does a perpetual license work?

    Make a one-time payment to own your Capture One Pro license outright, with minor software updates included. Plus, save on future versions – existing license owners get a reduced upgrade price with a 33% discount on every new release, which is automatically discounted in store.

    – that was the premise under which I bought a perpetual licence for Capture One 23 a few weeks ago. To say the above statement is misleading is an understatement … very disappointed!

     

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  • Ian Farlow

    This is actually a very reasonable alternative to the subscription only offering.

    Is it, though? Considering that we would only get fixes for the minor version that we have purchased (16.1.x fixes, for example) our copies of the software will go stale quickly. Prior to this announcement we could count on fixes over the course of a year, but now it sounds possible that we would only get fixes for a few months. That doesn't sound reasonable at all.

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  • Cédric Mialaret

    This feels and smells like blackmail and extorsion.

    I'm very disappointed. The upgrade prices were already outragous.

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  • Permanently deleted user

    I will NEVER EVER buy a subscription C1. The reason why I am using C1 is that it had versions to buy without subscription model.

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  • Roon

    To be honest I don't feel like spending too many words on this:

    Way to go Capture One: missed opportunity ;-(


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  • Peter Adams

    Allesio Furlan

    Yes, but you do get a year of feature updates for having bought early so that’s not really any different that the old model economically speaking… just could have been handled better if coupled with the other changes I mentioned.

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  • Ian Farlow

    I think a many annoyances can be avoided if Capture One doesn't wait until February 2023 for the announcement of the 'new loyalty scheme' 

    I think it's very telling that Capture One are comfortable dropping this bomb on everyone and then waiting until February to make additional announcements.

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  • Ian Farlow

    Yes, but you do get a year of feature updates for having bought early so that’s not really any different that the old model economically speaking...

    For most of 2023 only. From September 30, 2023, and beyond you only get months worth of fixes before your license goes stale. That's unacceptable.

    See this part of the announcement for reference:

    "bug fixes and optimizations will be included(16.x.x) until a new paid version is released (16.x)."

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